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Where's the beef? Fast-food workers in walkout to protest low wages | Fox News

Workers at the nation’s best known fast-food restaurants in seven cities across America are planning to walk off the job Monday to protest what they say are wages that are too low to live on. In a move orchestrated with the help of powerful labor unions and clergy groups, the workers plan to strike for a day to demand their wages be doubled.The Washington Post reports that the protests will take place in New York City, Chicago, Detroit, Milwaukee, St. Louis, Kansas City, and Flint, Mich., involving workers at McDonald's, Burger King, Wendy's and KFC. Some employees at stores including Dollar Tree, Macy's and Victoria's Secret are also expected to join the protesters in several cities.
The workers are calling for wages of $15 per hour, more than double New York's current minimum wage of $7.25



$15 bucks an hour? It's ******* fast food you idiots! If you want a job to live on, one that is now a 'starter' job for any moron, then get out of flipping burgers and asking 'do you want fries with that'. Good lord.

As if it takes enough skill or work to warrant that kind of money. The entitlement mentality generation for sure.
 

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$15 bucks an hour? It's ******* fast food you idiots! If you want a job to live on, one that is now a 'starter' job for any moron, then get out of flipping burgers and asking 'do you want fries with that'. Good lord.

As if it takes enough skill or work to warrant that kind of money. The entitlement mentality generation for sure. [/FONT][/COLOR]

They can try it. It's a free country. I don't think they're going to get anything since the jobs they're doing aren't worth twice what they're getting paid, but they can try. Nothing ventured, nothing gained, right? :)
 

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$15 bucks an hour? It's ******* fast food you idiots! If you want a job to live on, one that is now a 'starter' job for any moron, then get out of flipping burgers and asking 'do you want fries with that'. Good lord.

As if it takes enough skill or work to warrant that kind of money. The entitlement mentality generation for sure. [/FONT][/COLOR]

They can try it. It's a free country. I don't think they're going to get anything since the jobs they're doing aren't worth twice what they're getting paid, but they can try. Nothing ventured, nothing gained, right? :)
 

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Can't imagine they'll get anything for it. Nor should they. Not for fast food.
 

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You have to be kidding right?
 

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$15 bucks an hour? It's ******* fast food you idiots! If you want a job to live on, one that is now a 'starter' job for any moron, then get out of flipping burgers and asking 'do you want fries with that'. Good lord.

As if it takes enough skill or work to warrant that kind of money. The entitlement mentality generation for sure. [/FONT][/COLOR]
$15pr/hr is not much less than I make and I work my ****ing ass off doing a job a whole hell of a lot more important than fast food.
 

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$15pr/hr is not much less than I make and I work my ****ing ass off doing a job a whole hell of a lot more important than fast food.

Perhaps a good time for the military to hit up the fast food joints with recruiting material. ;)
 

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Perhaps a good time for the military to hit up the fast food joints with recruiting material. ;)
The military pays less. I'm talking about my civilian job.
 

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Utterly ludicrous. This is why I hate unions.

If these people are too good for minimum wage jobs, they should get off their asses, get a damned education, and get a job that pays them what they believe they are worth. I'm not gonna pay $10 for a Big Mac so the burger-flipper can make out like a bandit. Idiots.
 

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Where's the beef? Fast-food workers in walkout to protest low wages | Fox News




$15 bucks an hour? It's ******* fast food you idiots! If you want a job to live on, one that is now a 'starter' job for any moron, then get out of flipping burgers and asking 'do you want fries with that'. Good lord.

As if it takes enough skill or work to warrant that kind of money. The entitlement mentality generation for sure. [/FONT][/COLOR]

there will always be some people who always have to work at these" starter" jobs

like there will always be sweepers ,cleaners etc.

what happened to " not everybody is equal in this world "?

some people who dont have needed qualifications to work in well paid jobs have to work in such fast food places to earn their lives during their lifetimes and so they have to be paid what they deserve
 
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You're never going to get double anything. . . whatever happened to demanding a reasonable RAISE? or BENEFITS. If they demanded a raise of 50% that's quite a pay hike and it wouldn't be so shocking.

When you go to extremes you do harm to your efforts.
 

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You're never going to get double anything. . . whatever happened to demanding a reasonable RAISE? or BENEFITS. If they demanded a raise of 50% that's quite a pay hike and it wouldn't be so shocking.

When you go to extremes you do harm to your efforts.

Fifty? They're demanding DOUBLE pay.

Treat 'em like the air-traffic controllers from the 80's.
 

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Fifty? They're demanding DOUBLE pay.

Treat 'em like the air-traffic controllers from the 80's.

Yes - I know they're demanding double (100% raise) . . . a 50% raise would be P/2=D+P . . . If pay is $7.15 then that equates to $10.75 - which is still quite a bit, honestly - but not quiet as shocking and would receive less negative feedback.

For me - Just a raise of .50/hr was considerable.
 

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Yes - I know they're demanding double (100% raise) . . . a 50% raise would be P/2=D+P . . . If pay is $7.15 then that equates to $10.75 - which is still quite a bit, honestly - but not quiet as shocking and would receive less negative feedback.

For me - Just a raise of .50/hr was considerable.

The odd part is....McDonalds historically pays their staff above minimum wage. Just like their products, they have to compete with other fast food chains for employees as well.

I don't think people (consumers) would have a problem seeing the product go up 5-10% (which would trickle down to about a dollar or two raise per employee). But to say "I want double pay" for no reason other than as a demand, and not because of merit...well I'd tell those people to go pound sand.
 

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Where's the beef? Fast-food workers in walkout to protest low wages | Fox News




$15 bucks an hour? It's ******* fast food you idiots! If you want a job to live on, one that is now a 'starter' job for any moron, then get out of flipping burgers and asking 'do you want fries with that'. Good lord.

As if it takes enough skill or work to warrant that kind of money. The entitlement mentality generation for sure. [/FONT][/COLOR]

Statement from the impacted restaurants: "the conditions at our restaurants and the costs associated make the continued operation of our facilities impossible and so as of ____ we will be closing the doors."

Or, the other option that is not commonly known is that McDonald's already has the robots that would fully automate the restaurant... So, instead of those useless fools, they could hire a single technician to maintain the machines and replace them all.
 

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The said thing is that these people are the same ones that support amnesty and they see no corolla toon between the two problems.
 

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Utterly ludicrous. This is why I hate unions.

If these people are too good for minimum wage jobs, they should get off their asses, get a damned education, and get a job that pays them what they believe they are worth. I'm not gonna pay $10 for a Big Mac so the burger-flipper can make out like a bandit. Idiots.

Are they in a unión?
 

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Yes - I know they're demanding double (100% raise) . . . a 50% raise would be P/2=D+P . . . If pay is $7.15 then that equates to $10.75 - which is still quite a bit, honestly - but not quiet as shocking and would receive less negative feedback.

For me - Just a raise of .50/hr was considerable.

It sounded to me from the news reports that the people went out on strike not to ask their employers for the raise, but to get the mínimum wage changed to $15.00.

Don't these people understand it would take a long time for votes and to impliment the wage even if by some miracle it did go through, so walking out did nothing but piss off their bosses and customers.
 

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The odd part is....McDonalds historically pays their staff above minimum wage. Just like their products, they have to compete with other fast food chains for employees as well.

I don't think people (consumers) would have a problem seeing the product go up 5-10% (which would trickle down to about a dollar or two raise per employee). But to say "I want double pay" for no reason other than as a demand, and not because of merit...well I'd tell those people to go pound sand.

Try living in the city even by yourself on even $10/hour before taxes. It ain't easy...and if one is the breadwinner of a family (as too many single mothers are), it's doggone near impossible. Try walking the other guy's moccasins for a mile or two before you start judging him for what he says or does.
 

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Isn't this how the free market works? You can ask for whatever you like and you may get it, part of it, or replaced by someone willing to work for less than you.
 

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So funny watching people get mad at them for even trying it. Its like backhanding your maid for daring to make eye contact with you.
 

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"Corporations hold all the advantages and have exploited that for decades to make the working poor accept unrealistically low wages that require safety net programs to prevent starvation and societal collapse? Yeah, that's free market capitalism, you got a problem with that, ya socialist?"

"Workers have exactly one advantage and need to stab themselves in the foot in order to use it? How dare they get desperate enough to actually use it?!? The fact their initial bargaining position is so high just adds insult to injury! What do they think this is, a negotiation?!? We conservatives must stand up for the free market capitalism we believe in! The government must intercede on behalf of the corporations before the workers force a compromise between unrealistically low and unrealistically high!"
 
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Attaboy. I say go for it.

It would be good if there would be fewer fast food stands in the world, less fat people.
 

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Isn't this how the free market works? You can ask for whatever you like and you may get it, part of it, or replaced by someone willing to work for less than you.

Yep. That's the free market at work. You can ask whatever you want for your labor. You just have to be willing to accept the fact you won't be working if you can't find someone willing to pay that.
 

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Try living in the city even by yourself on even $10/hour before taxes.
Have you?

And if so...why? Why are you, as a worker, only worth $10/hour? Is it because you lack any meaningful skills? Is it because you suck at money management? I mean, obviously if you were worth more (as an individual) you should be able to find and maintain good employment elsewhere, instead of flipping burgers like a 17-year old, right?

...and before you start in with the "I'm worth more than $10/hour at McDonalds" route, here's one thing to think about...you do not dictate your worth. Sure you might possess special skills that are more valuable than a teenager living in Mommy's basement. Sure you might be able to negotiate a wage, or market yourself to a higher amount of earning. In the end however, it is not you who dictates your worth. It is the entity willing to employ you, who dictates what he pays you. Either win him over, or GTFO.

It ain't easy...and if one is the breadwinner of a family (as too many single mothers are), it's doggone near impossible.
Let's talk about that here. What about the personal responsibility of these people? What thought processes went on in this person's mind, where squeezing out a child was anything remotely close to a good idea, if all she can find is $10/hour work? Is it your belief that all you have to do is download a child and it automatically becomes someone else’s responsibility to cover the costs? And how much government assistance is available for that child anyway? I'll bet this loser of a mother's income is much higher than the $10/hour she receives in pay, when you factor in the tax credits, food stamps, WIC program, etc.

Try walking the other guy's moccasins for a mile or two before you start judging him for what he says or does.
I have. Twice in my life. The last time was when I was 37, when I was laid off as a software engineer. Let me tell you, child...just because the job goes away, doesn't mean the bills go away too.

The difference was that I didn't whine about it like a [kitty]. I decided it was proper to pick myself up, instead of dragging someone down to my level. I took those jobs at Lowe's and Target (for $7.25/hr) because I had too much pride and dignity to collect unemployment. I didn't contribute to this sickening plague of wealth envy that our society's losers are infected with. I also lived within my means. No cell phone. No cable bill. No dining out. No nothing. I hunkered down and did what I had to do. Now, I have a decent job (without Mother Government's assistance), and can say with full confidence that I've been there, but I'm a far better person than any of these unskilled choads that make bad decisions in their lives.

Sure there is a small number of exceptions, but I'm generalizing when I say that burger flippers and cashier jockeys are a dime-a-dozen. They are jobs that are for the unskilled, uneducated, less motivated people in our society. If they don't like working for $10/hour, then either go get skilled...get educated...get motivated...or fk off and gimme my fries before I call your manager.
 
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