Concerning 1 thru 8 you should check your facts with the evidence dumps.
Name of of those that is a known certain truism as you often claimed?
Someone on another thread said that Trayvon came up behind Zimmerman and tried to intimidate him by circling around him. That was the first time I'd heard that truism. But just supposing that Zimmerman was intimidated by Trayvon, then wouldn't his reaction be to put his hand on his gun? And then wouldn't Trayvon's reaction be to keep Zimmerman from reaching his gun?
No. Just because you feel intimidated by someone doesn't mean you reach for your gun. You reach for your gun when you intend to use it. You reach fro your gun when you feel deadly force is necessary. Sometimes situations change between the time you reach for your gun and the time you use deadly force and it ends up that no shots are fired but that's pretty much how it goes.
I'm pretty sure that no one on here knows GZ personally. You all only have the assumptions that run through your heads. The only evidence of any bad personality traits out there for people to find are of TM. The anti-gun, anti self defense, white guilt laden/black race baiting or pimping people are never going to look at the true evidence of this case, the character of the witnesses and their testimony and see how the true legal outcome should be. They are only going to keep up their emotional tyrants about what they "FEEL" should have been the outcome because of what they "FEEL" was right and wrong. They do not care about true facts or laws they only care about what they "FEEL". This is why we have the current executive administration that we have.
3. George Zimmerman profiled Trayvon Martin. Of itself, "profiled" means nothing. The assertion is he profiled TM for being African-American. We don't even know if GZ KNEW TM was African-American when he phoned the police. It was dark, hood over TM's head and GZ never mentioned his race until the police operator asked - but then TM was walking towards GZ. Actually, by his record GZ can prove he is more anti-racism than about anyone on this forum. However, doesn't matter if he is a racist anyway. It's not illegal to be a racist. Al Sharpston is still a free man, isn't he? So are people in the KKK. There is nothing to show GZ racially profiled TM - and it is totally irrelevant if he had anyway.
5. GZ assaulted a police officer in the past. No, he was never charged with that. He shoved a cop off a pal and the dismissed charge was interfering, not assaulting. Interfering is usually a *****-ass-charge anyway.
6. GZ followed TM. No, we don't know that. It appears GZ stayed to the sidewalk to see where TM went to, but there is no evidence GZ "followed" TM.
8. GZ was told not to follow TM. No, never happened. A telephone receptionist for the police said GZ didn't need to follow TM. So?
OK, where am I wrong on the endlessly asserted certain truism that have never been truisms - instead always were just speculations - or outright false?
George has a history of violent physical outbursts.
Don't just post a statement. Show me. Show police reports or tweetz or fb messages or something like the many, many things all over the web regarding TM. Don't just repeat something you have heard. And one incident does nat a "History of" make.
Then Trayvon commited the crime of attempted theft of a firearm and assault.Someone on another thread said that Trayvon came up behind Zimmerman and tried to intimidate him by circling around him. That was the first time I'd heard that truism. But just supposing that Zimmerman was intimidated by Trayvon, then wouldn't his reaction be to put his hand on his gun? And then wouldn't Trayvon's reaction be to keep Zimmerman from reaching his gun?
They know why it took TM so long to get home.... from both George and Rachel.
TM didn't get home, but why do you say it took him so long? And how does that equate to him "just walking home?"
Just to point out...
1. When Zimmerman called the police he identified Martin as African-American with no delay when asked by the dispatcher at about the 30 second mark. It wasn't until later that Zimmerman said he was walking toward him which was after he said he'd driven to the clubhouse. (Confirmed by listening to the NEN call.)
2. Martin was standing under street light when Zimmerman made his call. (This is what Zimmerman said when he pointed out the address in the reenactment video.)
3. Martin was standing between the poles in the front yard (again Zimmerman reenactment video) so since he was traveling north on Retreat View Circle which then bends to the right to go east, Martin - in front of the house - would have been in full view of Zimmerman's headlights and only about the width of a two lane rode away (from the drivers side of the truck to the grass between the two polls shown in the photos).
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Actually he was.
You can go to this link and search by name -->> http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/default.aspx
The charges were later reduced to misdemeanor resisting and officer without violence as part of a plea deal to enter a pretrial diversion program where he addended anger management classes. The charges were only dropped after he'd completed courses.
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ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL
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07/18/2005
Div 10
OKane, Julie H
Criminal Felony
Closed
CR-RESISTING OFFICER WITH VIOLENCE
BATTERY ON LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER
Sure there is. The dispathcer asked him if he was following the individual and Zimmerman replied yes.
The call center is staffed by 911 Operators (they handle both the non-emergency and emergency calls, they are not "receptionists"). The dispatcher that testified is a 911 Operator.
So while technically true, Zimmerman's own impression of the conversation was "The dispatcher told me not to follow the suspect & that an officer was in route." (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/06/22/us/21george-zimmerman-transcript.html?_r=0)
The items that needed correction above are made simply for accuracy.
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It started raining heavily and he stopped under the lighted mail kiosk at the side of the clubhouse.. talked on the phone.
George's timeline couldn't be questioned in court.. but it will be in civil suit.
Then Trayvon commited the crime of attempted theft of a firearm and assault.
So it would have been more accurate to say "TM was just standing under a lighted mail kiosk at the clubhouse" rather than "just walking home." Right?
OK, in response, while you make a good case that GZ likely knew TM was African-American, that still is not a truism. Since TM had a hood on, we don't know if his face was towards GZ prior to or at the time of the call. Maybe a strong likelihood.
I stand corrected on what GZ was initially arrested for. So I was in accurate and that claim of being arrested for assaulting an officer was accurate. However, he was not convicted of doing so. Therefore it is not a truism that he assaulted an officer nor would that be allowed in court. But it is true that is why he was initially arrested.
GZ was not told to not follow, but it is accurate that is how GZ interpreted it.
A 911 "operator" is the more correct term. Operator and receptionist mean about the same, but "operator" and "dispatcher" is more accurate, although GZ did not dial 911. What is most relevant is that the "operator"/dispatcher is not a police officer so whatever he said is not the instruction/command of a police officer.
However, GOOD detail research on your part.
George has a history of violent physical outbursts.
No. Just because you feel intimidated by someone doesn't mean you reach for your gun. You reach for your gun when you intend to use it. You reach fro your gun when you feel deadly force is necessary. Sometimes situations change between the time you reach for your gun and the time you use deadly force and it ends up that no shots are fired but that's pretty much how it goes.
I'm pretty sure that no one on here knows GZ personally. You all only have the assumptions that run through your heads. The only evidence of any bad personality traits out there for people to find are of TM. The anti-gun, anti self defense, white guilt laden/black race baiting or pimping people are never going to look at the true evidence of this case, the character of the witnesses and their testimony and see how the true legal outcome should be. They are only going to keep up their emotional tyrants about what they "FEEL" should have been the outcome because of what they "FEEL" was right and wrong. They do not care about true facts or laws they only care about what they "FEEL". This is why we have the current executive administration that we have.
George answered the dispatcher... and agreed not to follow.
To get out of the heavy rain..
George answered the dispatcher... and agreed not to follow.
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