Fact checking Trump III, nuclear Iran

Hey, this is fun! I even have some Trumpeteers defending Dutarte! Now, that's a difficult thing, but Trumpeteers must support Trump.

On to the nuclear deal with Iran:

TRUMP, on why the U.S. under Obama should not have agreed to the Iran nuclear deal in 2015: "I think they would have failed, totally failed within six months. We gave them a lifeline and we not only gave them a lifeline, we gave them wealth and prosperity." — Statement in Jerusalem on Monday, standing with Netanyahu.

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THE FACTS: What would have happened without the deal is impossible to say, but such an imminent collapse of Iran's economy was highly improbable.

International penalties on Iran in response to its nuclear program did drive its economy into crisis earlier this decade. But even before the nuclear deal, Iran had cut budget expenditures and fixed its balance of payments. It was still exporting oil and importing products from countries such as Japan and China.
The multinational deal froze Iran's nuclear program in return for an end to a variety of oil, trade and financial sanctions on Tehran. Iran also regained access to frozen assets held abroad. The deal was conceivably an economic "lifeline" for the state but Iran is not wealthy as a result; ordinary Iranians have seen limited benefits to date.

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OK, now explain how the nuclear deal made Iran, which would have failed within six months, prosperous and wealthy instead. Along the way, let's claim that Iran is about to have a nuclear weapon, thanks to all of the billions that Obama gave them.

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Dittohead not! said:

Hey, this is fun! I even have some Trumpeteers defending Dutarte! Now, that's a difficult thing, but Trumpeteers must support Trump.

On to the nuclear deal with Iran:





OK, now explain how the nuclear deal made Iran, which would have failed within six months, prosperous and wealthy instead. Along the way, let's claim that Iran is about to have a nuclear weapon, thanks to all of the billions that Obama gave them.

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It's bad enough to have Russia and China pointing nukes at us, and now we have the Norks. We don't need Iran to join the club and speculate with the three other hostile powers; "I wonder what a world without America would be like. Let's find out."

It's so easy to sit back an sip your coffee not understanding how your life will collapse if we are attacked with nuclear weapons. I looked out my window this morning and everything was fine. You'd never know what is over that horizon where other people live.

Dittohead not! said:

Hey, this is fun! I even have some Trumpeteers defending Dutarte! Now, that's a difficult thing, but Trumpeteers must support Trump.

On to the nuclear deal with Iran:





OK, now explain how the nuclear deal made Iran, which would have failed within six months, prosperous and wealthy instead. Along the way, let's claim that Iran is about to have a nuclear weapon, thanks to all of the billions that Obama gave them.

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Prosperous and wealthy?

chuckiechan said:

It's bad enough to have Russia and China pointing nukes at us, and now we have the Norks. We don't need Iran to join the club and speculate with the three other hostile powers; "I wonder what a world without America would be like. Let's find out."

It's so easy to sit back an sip your coffee not understanding how your life will collapse if we are attacked with nuclear weapons. I looked out my window this morning and everything was fine. You'd never know what is over that horizon where other people live.

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Factually, we have decided that anyone is going to be able to have nukes. Thus proliferation is going to accompany the shift in relative wealth and so in military might and power projection. The prognosis is a period of conflicts of varying size and growing numbers to end in a nuclear war. How long it will take depends on numerous factors, but the game plan invariably lands us there, if international security is not internalized at the global level.

Dittohead not! said:

Hey, this is fun! I even have some Trumpeteers defending Dutarte! Now, that's a difficult thing, but Trumpeteers must support Trump.

On to the nuclear deal with Iran:





OK, now explain how the nuclear deal made Iran, which would have failed within six months, prosperous and wealthy instead. Along the way, let's claim that Iran is about to have a nuclear weapon, thanks to all of the billions that Obama gave them.

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First Class sarcasm!
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chuckiechan said:

It's bad enough to have Russia and China pointing nukes at us, and now we have the Norks. We don't need Iran to join the club and speculate with the three other hostile powers; "I wonder what a world without America would be like. Let's find out."

It's so easy to sit back an sip your coffee not understanding how your life will collapse if we are attacked with nuclear weapons. I looked out my window this morning and everything was fine. You'd never know what is over that horizon where other people live.

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Think just another step further. USA Nukes defend the "Fiat" US Dollar, the money because we say it is with no tangible collaterol. On the other hand, we can defend our money if the World loses confidence/faith in our "Full Faith and Credit" currency. It is this "Fiat" dollar that supports the Banks and Wall Street that we bailed out nine years ago. Although a collapse/lowering of the dollar value would be great for the export economy and by extension, JOBS, the Money Elite have the upper hand and don't want the boat rocked because it will cost them. Militarily, we have been attacked by noone, unless you count Saudi Arabian complicity in 9-11. So what is it that our military is "defending?" A trillion a year pissed away on Wars. Why? Use your head. We're defending something, but it is, unfortunately, our Corpora;te Elite of Banks, Wall Street, and the Military Industrial Corporate Complex.
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joG said:

Prosperous and wealthy?

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That's how Trump describes it.
No one has to make Iran great again.

DaveFagan said:

First Class sarcasm!
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Thanks. I'm getting better at it the longer I post here, particularly since the last election.

Dittohead not! said:

Hey, this is fun! I even have some Trumpeteers defending Dutarte! Now, that's a difficult thing, but Trumpeteers must support Trump.

On to the nuclear deal with Iran:





OK, now explain how the nuclear deal made Iran, which would have failed within six months, prosperous and wealthy instead. Along the way, let's claim that Iran is about to have a nuclear weapon, thanks to all of the billions that Obama gave them.

source

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Both Obama and Trump (and well... every US President basically) instigate trouble with other countries. I don't care if Iran builds a nuke. If they are smart they should. There is only one country on earth, one country in history, that has ever dropped one nuke on another country. And guess which country dropped two nukes on a country?

That might be a confusing question for us Americans. No, it was not Russia. No, it was not North Korea.

I'll give a hint: it's the country that continually has politicians and Presidents threatening the use of nuclear weapons on every country it has gotten into conflict with since the end of WWII.

FastPace said:

Both Obama and Trump (and well... every US President basically) instigate trouble with other countries. I don't care if Iran builds a nuke. If they are smart they should. There is only one country on earth, one country in history, that has ever dropped one nuke on another country. And guess which country dropped two nukes on a country?

That might be a confusing question for us Americans. No, it was not Russia. No, it was not North Korea.

I'll give a hint: it's the country that continually has politicians and Presidents threatening the use of nuclear weapons on every country it has gotten into conflict with since the end of WWII.

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There is only one country on earth, one country in history, that has ever dropped one nuke on another country so far. Let's keep it that way. Iran ending its nuclear bomb project is a step in that direction.