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Fantasea quoted: "Almost all of the argumentation that followed my last post (1) is related to your UNPROVED CLAIM that human life is more special than other life. Your comment (10), regarding religion, is therefore mistaken. ALL religions are fundamentally based on unproved claims. Since you are persistently making the unproved claim that human life is so special it must be preserved whenever possible, you actually ARE discussing abortion on the basis of a religious stand (although a non-formalized religious stand)."
Fantasea wrote: "You may wish to believe that human life is not superior to other life forms. It is self-evident to me that it is."
Again you confuse "superior" and "special". You are also exhibiting biased subjectivity (you are a human, right?) in claiming that humans are superior. In Science, only OBJECTIVITY counts (except sometimes in Quantum Mechanics, where there is no separating the observer from the observed). Your statement, therefore, is worthless.
Fantasea wrote: "Your introducing religion into a discussion of biology, which is as secular a subject as there is, is nothing more than dragging a red herring across the trail to confuse the issue."
I did not introduce religion. I indicated that you were reaching conclusions based on an unproved claim, which is what religions and not scientists do. YOU were the one who claimed that religious atitudes were not part of your debating tactics. But the evidence is against you. You DO continue to make the unproved claim that humans are more special than other life-forms. And you DO continue to reach conclusions based on that claim, as fanatically as any fundamentalist preacher concludes things from his own unproved claims.
If you REALLY TRULY want us to believe you do not take a religious stand, then you have exactly two choices. You must either prove that humans ARE somehow more special, OBJECTIVELY, than other life-forms (almost all of which are special in one way or another), or you must stop claiming that humans are more special than other life-forms. (I am reminded of George Orwell's novel "Animal Farm", in which the pigs claim superiority because they are supposedly more equal to each other than the other types of barnyard animals are equal to each other.) Have fun!
Fantasea wrote: "You may wish to believe that human life is not superior to other life forms. It is self-evident to me that it is."
Again you confuse "superior" and "special". You are also exhibiting biased subjectivity (you are a human, right?) in claiming that humans are superior. In Science, only OBJECTIVITY counts (except sometimes in Quantum Mechanics, where there is no separating the observer from the observed). Your statement, therefore, is worthless.
Fantasea wrote: "Your introducing religion into a discussion of biology, which is as secular a subject as there is, is nothing more than dragging a red herring across the trail to confuse the issue."
I did not introduce religion. I indicated that you were reaching conclusions based on an unproved claim, which is what religions and not scientists do. YOU were the one who claimed that religious atitudes were not part of your debating tactics. But the evidence is against you. You DO continue to make the unproved claim that humans are more special than other life-forms. And you DO continue to reach conclusions based on that claim, as fanatically as any fundamentalist preacher concludes things from his own unproved claims.
If you REALLY TRULY want us to believe you do not take a religious stand, then you have exactly two choices. You must either prove that humans ARE somehow more special, OBJECTIVELY, than other life-forms (almost all of which are special in one way or another), or you must stop claiming that humans are more special than other life-forms. (I am reminded of George Orwell's novel "Animal Farm", in which the pigs claim superiority because they are supposedly more equal to each other than the other types of barnyard animals are equal to each other.) Have fun!