Excellent Political Quiz

[Comrade Brian]

It claimed I was a Marxist.

I doubt though you are one, because you have in the past, explained that you hated. Quizes aren't always accurate.

Ya that's because National Socialism is still socialism

No, its not. Though "National Socialism" has the word socialism it is completely different. Anyone can claim to be socialist, but some are and some aren't. Also Nazis in the past have usually supressed socialists, Hitler treated them often times the same as Jews, Gypsies, and Communists.

Marxism and Nazism are completely different

I agree completely, one denies the existance of classes, and think everyone is who they are because of their "race". The other usually denies "race", and thinks people are more formed by their material welfare, than "race". What I mean by material welfare I mean as in class.
Also, Nazis worship their corporate-state, while Marxists are disgusted by corporations, and the state, because they want a "stateless" society.

Its like saying The Roman Republic is the same as a democratic republic.

Rome often switched govt.-types, it has been a dictatorship a democratic-republic, etc. Though I do have to admit, it wasn't as much as a "democracy" as most think.

National Socialism will actually usually have centerist or capitalistic economic policies

I sort of agree, the most basic foundation of capitalism is the rights of private property, Fascism very well protects this. Not to mention Mussolini described Fascism as a "merging of state and corporation", corporations are a very much part of capitalism. But Fascism, is still different than "free-market capitalism" because businesses don't compete they are owned by the state, and state-property too, can be considered private property, so in a sense, fascism is a capitalist ideology, but is separated from most capitalist-ideologies. Also a corporate-state has often been called "state-capitalism", also this economic system, is basically the same one used by "Stalinists".

 

[LeftyHenry]

Rome often switched govt.-types, it has been a dictatorship a democratic-republic, etc. Though I do have to admit, it wasn't as much as a "democracy" as most think.

Which is why I said Democractic Republics are different than The Roman Republic. The Roman republic didn't represent farmers and lowerclassmen. Democratic Republics represent these people a little more. Also there wasn't a freedom of speech in the Roman Republic. Democratic Republics have that.

BTW I was only talking about the Roman Republic in Particular. Not the Roman Empire

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Marxism and Nazism are completely different. Its like saying The Roman Republic is the same as a democratic republic. Not even that since Marxism isn't the same as socialism :roll:. National Socialism will actually usually have centerist or capitalistic economic policies. Hitler and Pinochet are good examples.

Bullshit National Socialism is the other face of Communism in a socialist world they would be considered to be on the right side of the political spectrum but in a Capitalist world they are clearly on the left, Mussolini himself was a socialist before he started his own party, he built fascism on the ideas of Marx, fascism is leftist.

Just look at the similarities between Communism and National Socialism they are both totalitarian in nature and the forces of labor and capital are strictly controlled by the state.

 

[LeftyHenry]

The Quiz is too short. It called me a centerist.



http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz-score/draw.php?p=5&e=2

 

[Comrade Brian]

Bullshit National Socialism is the other face of Communism in a socialist world they would be considered to be on the right side of the political spectrum but in a Capitalist world they are clearly on the left,

No, it can be explained in my last paragraph in post #26. Also Trojan, claiming this will virtually end up in you getting the crap beaten out of you, this is entirely false claim, anyone with eyes can see through this.

Mussolini himself was a socialist before he started his own party

And switched to fascism, do you think being an ex-socialist really matters? People always change, and may not necessarily retain things from before.

Just look at the similarities between Communism and National Socialism

There are similarities??????????

they are both totalitarian in nature

Wrong, communism is supposed to be built around people, not on top of them. Communism and totalitarianism I find is incompatable.

forces of labor and capital are strictly controlled by the state

Communism is stateless.

 

[LeftyHenry]

Bullshit National Socialism is the other face of Communism in a socialist world they would be considered to be on the right side of the political spectrum but in a Capitalist world they are clearly on the left, Mussolini himself was a socialist before he started his own party, he built fascism on the ideas of Marx, fascism is leftist.

Just look at the similarities between Communism and National Socialism they are both totalitarian in nature and the forces of labor and capital are strictly controlled by the state.

National Socialism isn't like communism just because you say it is. It is the standard opinion of the public that communism is the opposite of Facism. In a capitalist world National Socialism is actually considered to be the ideas of the extreme right. Mussolini had nothing to do with Socialism. Mussolini believed Facism was corporatism. Doesn't sound very Socialist to me. Socialism is about the little guy, the worker, the backbone of this economy not the corporation.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

National Socialism isn't like communism just because you say it is. It is the standard opinion of the public that communism is the opposite of Facism. In a capitalist world National Socialism is actually considered to be the ideas of the extreme right. Mussolini had nothing to do with Socialism. Mussolini believed Facism was corporatism. Doesn't sound very Socialist to me. Socialism is about the little guy, the worker, the backbone of this economy not the corporation.

You're simply mistaken corporatism is socialism it's the same thing in which the powers of labor and capital are controlled by the state just like in Communism.

 

[Comrade Brian]

Trojan, please respond to post #30 and #26, I see you haven't, or is it because I'm way more intelligent than you? You're usually the one I find debate-games with.

 

[LeftyHenry]

You're simply mistaken corporatism is socialism it's the same thing in which the powers of labor and capital are controlled by the state just like in Communism.

What are you talking about Trajan??

Corporatism is when corporations run the show. Giving money to candidates and forcing them to follow their goals and ideals.

Corporatatism would be run by the upper class, not the working class.

You're mixing completely unrelated systems of government.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

No, it can be explained in my last paragraph in post #26. Also Trojan, claiming this will virtually end up in you getting the crap beaten out of you, this is entirely false claim, anyone with eyes can see through this.

And switched to fascism, do you think being an ex-socialist really matters? People always change, and may not necessarily retain things from before.

There are similarities??????????

Wrong, communism is supposed to be built around people, not on top of them. Communism and totalitarianism I find is incompatable.

Communism is stateless.

Your theoretical communsit eutopia has proved to be impossible, the fact of the matter that countries built on the principles of Marx will always be totalitarian it's the nature of the beast.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

What are you talking about Trajan??

Corporatism is when corporations run the show. Giving money to candidates and forcing them to follow their goals and ideals.

Corporatatism would be run by the upper class, not the working class.

You're mixing completely unrelated systems of government.

Know sir corporatism is the state control and regulation of labor and capital.

 

[LeftyHenry]

Know sir corporatism is the state control and regulation of labor and capital.

Trajan we're going around in Circles.

Fascism has provate property and free markets. Fascist economies are NOT state controled. Germans like Oskar Schindler were extremely wealthy and lived in the nazi regime.

Communism doesn't. Socialism doesn't either.

Capitalism and Fascism on the other hand both have free markets and both have had racist policies.

 

[aquapub]

Has it occurred to anyone here that if you need a computer to tell you what you are, maybe you are too unaware to be debating politics here in the first place? Just a thought.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Trajan we're going around in Circles.

Fascism has provate property and free markets. Fascist economies are NOT state controled. Germans like Oskar Schindler were extremely wealthy and lived in the nazi regime.

Communism doesn't. Socialism doesn't either.

Capitalism and Fascism on the other hand both have free markets and both have had racist policies.

Like I said in a socialist world fascism would be considered right wing but in a Capitalist world Fascism is obviously a product of the left IE state control over all aspects of life: education, industry, etc, etc, these are the hallmarks of both Communism and Fascism, take the racist elements out of Nazism and it is virtually indistinguishable from Communism, it's right in the title buddy: National Socialism.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

We ask that the government undertake the obligation above all of providing citizens with adequate opportunities for employment and earning a living.

The activities of the individual must not be allowed to clash with the interests of the community, but must take place within its confines and for the good of all. Therefore, we demand:...an end to the power of the financial interests.

We demand profit sharing in big business.

We demand a broad extension of care for the aged.

We demand...the greatest possible consideration of small business in the purchases of the national, state and municipal governments.

In order to make possible to every capable and industrious [citizen] the attainment of higher education and thus the achievement of a post of leadership, the government must provide an all-around enlargement of our entire system of public education...We demand the education at government expense of gifted children of poor parents...

The government must undertake the improvement of public health -- by the greatest possible support for all clubs concerned with the physical education of youth.

[We] combat the...materialistic spirit withn and without us, and are convinced that a permanent recovery of our people can only proceed from within on the foundation of The Common Good Before the Individual Good .

(Nazi party platform adopted at Munich, February 24, 1920;Der Nationalsozialismus Dokumente 1933-1945, edited by Walther Hofer, Frankfurt am Main: Fischer Bucherei, 1957, pp. 29-31).

It is thus necessary that the individual should finally come to realize that his own ego is of no importance in comparison with the existence of his nation; that the position of the individual ego is conditioned solely by the interests of the nation as a whole...that above all the unity of a nation's spirit and will are worth far more than the freedom of the spirit and will of an individual....This state of mind, which subordinates the interests of the ego to the conservation of the community, is really the first premise for every truly human culture....The basic attitude form which such activity arises, we call -- to distinguish it from egoism and selfishness -- idealism. By this we understand only the individual's capacity to make sacrifices for the community, for his fellow men.

(Adolf Hitler speaking at Bueckeburg, Oct. 7, 1933; The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, 1922-39, ed. N.H. Baynes (2 vols., Oxford, 1942), I, 871-72; translation Professor George Reisman.)

[Fascism stresses] the necessity, for which the older doctrines make little allowance, of sacrifice, even up to the total immolation of individuals, in behalf of society...For Liberalism, the individual is the end and society the means; nor is it conceivable that the individual, considered in the dignity of an ulitmate finality, be lowered to mere instrumentality. For Fascism, society is the end, individuals the means, and its whole life consists in using individuals as instruments for its social ends.

(Alfredo Rocco, "The Political Doctrine of Fascism" (address delivered at Perugia, Aug. 30, 1925); reprinted in Readings on Fascism and National Socialism, pp. 34-35.)

[T]he higher interests involved in the life of the whole...must set the limits an lay down the duties of the interests of the individual.

(Adolf Hitler at Bueckeburg, op cit pg. 872.)

"Private property" as conceived under liberalistic economic order was a reversal of the true concept of property. This "private proprerty" represented the right of the individual to manage and to speculate with inherited or acquired property as he pleased, without regard to the general interests...German socialism had to overcome this "private", that is, unrestrained and irresponsible view of property. All property is common property. The owner is bound by the people and the Reich to the responsible management of his goods. His legal position is only justified when he satisfies this responsibility to the community.

(Ernst Huber, Nazi party spokesman; National Socialism, prepared by Raymond E. Murphy, et al; quoting Huber, Verfassungsrecht des grossdeutschen Reiches (Hamburg, 1939))

To be a socialist is to submit the I to the thou; socialism is sacrificing the individual to the whole.

(Nazi head of propaganda, Joseph Goebbels; In Erich Fromm, Escape from Freedom (New York: Farrar, 1941), pg. 233.)

Finally,

I have learned a great deal from Marxism, as I do not hesitate to admit. The difference between them and myself is that I have really put into practice what these peddlers and penpushers have timidly begun...I had only to develop logically what Social Democracy repeatedly failed in because of its attempt to realize its evolution within the framework of democracy. National Socialism is what Marxism might have been if it could have broken its absurd and artificial ties with the democratic order.

(Hitler to Rauschning, The Voice of Destruction, pg. 186).

 

[t125eagle]

lol. suprise suprise. i was conservative. hmm. i was kind of middle of the road for everything...except for religion and protectiveness, or something or other. thanks for the quiz!

 

[Comrade Brian]

Your theoretical communsit eutopia has proved to be impossible, the fact of the matter that countries built on the principles of Marx will always be totalitarian it's the nature of the beast

Ugh, why bother responding if people don't listen at all.

Fascism has provate property and free markets. Fascist economies are NOT state controled.

Capitalism as most want it, is "free-market", fascists can be described as state-capitalists, which is that businesses instead of being individual private property, are state-private property. Fascism does not provide a "free-market".

Capitalism and Fascism on the other hand both have free markets and both have had racist policies.

Fascism equals capitalism minus "free-market, or maybe fascism is just another form of capitalism, one that most don't advocate.

these are the hallmarks of both Communism and Fascism

Fascism and Communism are opposites, and share almost no similarities.

it's right in the title buddy: National Socialism.

Just because they have a word like that in it, doesn't mean they are socialists. I find the reason it has it in there, is because the time Hitler came to power, was after the idea of socialism became popular, because capitalism wasn't good in most minds. Now I fin Hitler used the name to say "fool" people, because it would appear that he was a socialist, he was not. The "National" part gives it away, socialists and communists are internationalists, fascists are nationalists, also fascists usually deny the existence of classes. Communists many times deny the existence of "race".

But it remained for the Jews, with their unqualified capacity for falsehood, and their fighting comrades, the Marxists ... By placing responsibility for the loss of the world war on the shoulders of Ludendorff they took away the weapon of moral right from the only adversary dangerous enough to be likely to succeed in bringing the betrayers of the Fatherland to Justice. All this was inspired by the principle— which is quite true in itself — that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. ~ Ch. 10 -Adolf Hitler in Mein Kampf

I am quite sure that very few of the so-called Reds in Spain were really Communists (10th February 1945)-Adolf Hitler, referring to the Spanish Civil War of 1936, when communists made up a large part of the anti-fascist force.

We stand for the maintenance of private property... We shall protect free enterprise as the most expedient, or rather the sole possible economic order. -Adolf Hitler

Socialism is a fraud, a comedy, a phantom, a blackmail. - Benito Mussolini

Fascism should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the merger of state and corporate power. - Benito Mussolini

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Ugh, why bother responding if people don't listen at all.

Capitalism as most want it, is "free-market", fascists can be described as state-capitalists, which is that businesses instead of being individual private property, are state-private property. Fascism does not provide a "free-market".

Fascism equals capitalism minus "free-market, or maybe fascism is just another form of capitalism, one that most don't advocate.

Fascism and Communism are opposites, and share almost no similarities.

Just because they have a word like that in it, doesn't mean they are socialists. I find the reason it has it in there, is because the time Hitler came to power, was after the idea of socialism became popular, because capitalism wasn't good in most minds. Now I fin Hitler used the name to say "fool" people, because it would appear that he was a socialist, he was not. The "National" part gives it away, socialists and communists are internationalists, fascists are nationalists, also fascists usually deny the existence of classes. Communists many times deny the existence of "race".

But it remained for the Jews, with their unqualified capacity for falsehood, and their fighting comrades, the Marxists ... By placing responsibility for the loss of the world war on the shoulders of Ludendorff they took away the weapon of moral right from the only adversary dangerous enough to be likely to succeed in bringing the betrayers of the Fatherland to Justice. All this was inspired by the principle— which is quite true in itself — that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. ~ Ch. 10 -Adolf Hitler in Mein Kampf

I am quite sure that very few of the so-called Reds in Spain were really Communists (10th February 1945)-Adolf Hitler, referring to the Spanish Civil War of 1936, when communists made up a large part of the anti-fascist force.

We stand for the maintenance of private property... We shall protect free enterprise as the most expedient, or rather the sole possible economic order. -Adolf Hitler

Socialism is a fraud, a comedy, a phantom, a blackmail. - Benito Mussolini

Fascism should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the merger of state and corporate power. - Benito Mussolini

Fascism is a product of Marx, Fascism and Communism are opposite sides on the same coin. and Capitalism is the antithesis to both:

I have learned a great deal from Marxism, as I do not hesitate to admit. The difference between them and myself is that I have really put into practice what these peddlers and penpushers have timidly begun...I had only to develop logically what Social Democracy repeatedly failed in because of its attempt to realize its evolution within the framework of democracy. National Socialism is what Marxism might have been if it could have broken its absurd and artificial ties with the democratic order.

(Hitler to Rauschning, The Voice of Destruction, pg. 186).

 

[Comrade Brian]

Are you actually taking Hitler seriousely on this topic? He had Marxists among the first to be rounded up then shot. He also equated Marxists to be all Jewish. And he hated Marx because he had Jewish backgrounds. Hitler often times says one thing, does the opposite.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Are you actually taking Hitler seriousely on this topic? He had Marxists among the first to be rounded up then shot. He also equated Marxists to be all Jewish. And he hated Marx because he had Jewish backgrounds. Hitler often times says one thing, does the opposite.

I'm not saying that Hitler was a Communist what I'm saying is that National Socialism was built on the same tennants as Communism IE the principles of Marx. My point is that both Communism and Fascism are products of the left not that of the right. It's a fact that Marx was an inspiration to both Hitler and Mussolini.

Here's a great article that explains it better than I can:

http://www.lawrence.edu/sorg/objectivism/socfasc.html

 

[Comrade Brian]

One thing that I found wrong in that most delighting article was that it claimed the USSR and several others as "socialist", I find that the USSR, China, etc. are "deformed" socialist states. What I mean is that they are extremely authoritian/dictatorial, and the state is supreme to all. Communism or socialism requires the opposite, take a look at the quote from Trotsky on my sig., I find that he means democracy is as essential and part of socialism as is oxygen to humans. Also most socialists still protect a few rights of private property, depnding on what type they are, but also antother thing is that there are many types of socialism, and not all are the same.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

One thing that I found wrong in that most delighting article was that it claimed the USSR and several others as "socialist", I find that the USSR, China, etc. are "deformed" socialist states. What I mean is that they are extremely authoritian/dictatorial, and the state is supreme to all. Communism or socialism requires the opposite, take a look at the quote from Trotsky on my sig., I find that he means democracy is as essential and part of socialism as is oxygen to humans. Also most socialists still protect a few rights of private property, depnding on what type they are, but also antother thing is that there are many types of socialism, and not all are the same.

Mao's China and the Soviet Union are the purest forms of socialism, they adobted every single tennant of Marx save for the whithering of the state because as we have already established a stateless socialist nation is simply impossible. These people that claim that Socialism and Stalinism are different are just trying to fool themselves, Stalin was as pure a Marxist as who ever lived. How is it that you can argue that the people should be expected to give up their individual rights for the good of society without a dictator around to tell them what that 'good,' is? In both Communism and Fascism the net results are the same that of the loss of freedom the only social system suitable to Democracy is that of capitalism in which people are not only free to own property but our also free to do with it what they wish.

 

[Auftrag]

Ya that's because National Socialism is still socialism. :roll:

Two words for ya.

Book. Read

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Two words for ya.

Book. Read

Two words for you,

article/read:

http://www.lawrence.edu/sorg/objectivism/socfasc.html

A few more words for you I've read Marx I've read Hitler they are two peas in the same pod. Hitler was a tyrant, do you know what we do with tyrants in America?

Nex ut tyrannus y sic semper tyrannus, licentia vel nex! (death to tyrants and thus always for tyrants, liberty or death!)

 

[Napoleon's Nightingale]

Heh..quite interesting. My results:

"Overall, the PoliticsForum quiz considers you a small-government, non-absolutist, controlled-market kind of person, who also seems quite Marxist."

- You scored 48 out of 100 on a scale of Individual vs Social. This means that politically you are neither more nor less likely to value the need for group actions and group benefit over individual enterprise and benefit.

- You scored 46 out of 100 on a scale of Theist vs Materialist. This means that politically you are neither more nor less likely to believe that religion and spirituality are superstitions that should not inform political debate.

- You scored 64 out of 100 on a scale of Big Government vs Small Government. This means that politically you are more likely to believe that government should keep out of legislating social policies, leaving such decisions to individuals.

- You scored 42 out of 100 on a scale of Nationalist vs Internationalist. This means that politically you are neither more nor less likely to favour international bodies over national ones.

- You scored 49 out of 100 on a scale of Protectionist vs Free Trader. This means that politically you are neither more nor less likely to favour free trade over protectionist policies.

- You scored 72 out of 100 on a scale of Absolutist vs Non Absolutist. This means that politically you are less likely to believe that there is an absolute truth that may guide your ideological beliefs.

- You scored 28 out of 100 on a scale of Controlled Market vs Liberal Market. This means that politically you are more likely to believe that there is need for government regulation of industry.

- You scored 36 out of 100 on a scale of Marxist vs Non-Marxist. This means that politically you are Marxist.