Examples of what is wrong with American Police

[Bodi]

Cop thought they were underage drinking... they were not, cop started trying to "be in control" because she was challenging his ineptness... She was trying to contact her aunt... he thought she did not comply with whatever fast enough... he slams her to the ground and punches her a couple of times... for those "cops can **** over anybody" assholes out there... the cop admits to punching, then the cops threaten the family. Then the other cops all back up the asshole cops bullshit story... the kids even blew zero alcohol!

WHAT IS WRONG IN AMERICA.

In New Zealand this would have been a simple conversation, perhaps dumping the alcohol (even though in this case none were supposedly open) and if they were to just remove them off the beach... kids and cops would probably laugh or agree... kids would have most likely agreed and moved on even if the cops were in the wrong... but the cops would have been patient and talked the situation out for a while... not this cop though.

WHAT IS WRONG IN AMERICA.

 

[Captain Adverse]

Cop thought they were underage drinking... they were not, cop started trying to "be in control" because she was challenging his ineptness... She was trying to contact her aunt... he thought she did not comply with whatever fast enough... he slams her to the ground and punches her a couple of times... for those "cops can **** over anybody" assholes out there... the cop admits to punching, then the cops threaten the family. Then the other cops all back up the asshole cops bullshit story... the kids even blew zero alcohol!

WHAT IS WRONG IN AMERICA.

In New Zealand this would have been a simple conversation, perhaps dumping the alcohol (even though in this case none were supposedly open) and if they were to just remove them off the beach... kids and cops would probably laugh or agree... kids would have most likely agreed and moved on even if the cops were in the wrong... but the cops would have been patient and talked the situation out for a while... not this cop though.

WHAT IS WRONG IN AMERICA.

Hmmm.

Well there are over 18,000 police departments in the USA, with approximately 1 million full and part-time police officers serving. https://usafacts.org/articles/police-departments-explained/

1,127 people were killed by police in 2020. 80 victims were unarmed.

But 670 had a gun, 180 had a knife, 65 were driving a vehicle, 59 were wielding some other object (clubs, bats, chains?), 73 undetermined.

48% of victims were White, 27% Black, 21% Hispanic, and 4% other. https://policeviolencereport.org/

That means 0.001, or 1 in every thousand police officers was involved in a shooting in 2020. Not all shootings were "bad" shoots.

Based on these figures, there is NOTHING wrong in America. There are simply a very few bad or poorly trained officers who get involved in such incidents.

Like "mass shootings" the "bad cop" incidents are blown out of all proportion to the reality of law enforcement in the USA.

 

[Bodi]

Hmmm.

Well there are over 18,000 police departments in the USA, with approximately 1 million full and part-time police officers serving. https://usafacts.org/articles/police-departments-explained/

1,127 people were killed by police in 2020. 80 victims were unarmed.

But 670 had a gun, 180 had a knife, 65 were driving a vehicle, 59 were wielding some other object (clubs, bats, chains?), 73 undetermined.

48% of victims were White, 27% Black, 21% Hispanic, and 4% other. https://policeviolencereport.org/

That means 0.001, or 1 in every thousand police officers was involved in a shooting in 2020. Not all shootings were "bad" shoots.

Based on these figures, there is NOTHING wrong in America. There are simply a very few bad or poorly trained officers who get involved in such incidents.

Like "mass shootings" the "bad cop" incidents are blown out of all proportion to the reality of law enforcement in the USA.

Interesting that you ignored the point of the post.

 

[swing_voter]

What a lot of foreigners don't realize that police are employed and trained by local districts.

We don't have a national police like most countries do.

So a city like Dallas or a town hires a police officer, trains them, and monitors their job performance.

 

[Captain Adverse]

Interesting that you ignored the point of the post.

Really? I thought the question asked not once but TWICE was "What's wrong with America?"

Coupled with your thread title "What's wrong with American Police?"

I pretty much answered nothing, unless you count the blatant propaganda efforts in our Leftist Media to make it SEEM like "much is wrong in America."

That coupled with our leaders blaming police, when it it the "mostly peaceful" rioters who are the problem in America thanks to coddling by politicians and the Media.

 

[Cameron]

Cop thought they were underage drinking... they were not, cop started trying to "be in control" because she was challenging his ineptness... She was trying to contact her aunt... he thought she did not comply with whatever fast enough... he slams her to the ground and punches her a couple of times... for those "cops can **** over anybody" assholes out there... the cop admits to punching, then the cops threaten the family. Then the other cops all back up the asshole cops bullshit story... the kids even blew zero alcohol!

WHAT IS WRONG IN AMERICA.

In New Zealand this would have been a simple conversation, perhaps dumping the alcohol (even though in this case none were supposedly open) and if they were to just remove them off the beach... kids and cops would probably laugh or agree... kids would have most likely agreed and moved on even if the cops were in the wrong... but the cops would have been patient and talked the situation out for a while... not this cop though.

WHAT IS WRONG IN AMERICA.

Based on that video, the cops should be fired and charged with assault and false arrest. She resisted arrest but that doesn't excuse the cop attempting to arrest her without any cause whatsoever and everything else stems from that. This is slightly different from recent situations where, for example, someone has a warrant out and the suspect then resists arrest. I don't see what basis this cop had for further interrogation after the breathalyzer came up negative twice.

PS I grew up going to Wildwood every summer this is disappointing.

PS 2 this video is apparently from several years ago and she got a $325k settlement in December 2020. The officers were not charged. I think the outcome would have been different had this happened today, which is probably why the department decided to settle in December.

Settlement reached in Wildwood beach confrontation caught on police bodycam

A settlement has been reached regarding a violent beach confrontation in Wildwood from Memorial Day Weekend two years ago.

6abc.com

 

[ttwtt78640]

Interesting that you ignored the point of the post.

The “point of the post” seems to be that the actions of a few LEOs in NJ somehow represent all US LEOs.

 

[j brown's body]

The whole criminal justice system is rotten. The police are just the tip of the spear.

 

[KevinKohler]

Hmmm.

Well there are over 18,000 police departments in the USA, with approximately 1 million full and part-time police officers serving. https://usafacts.org/articles/police-departments-explained/

1,127 people were killed by police in 2020. 80 victims were unarmed.

But 670 had a gun, 180 had a knife, 65 were driving a vehicle, 59 were wielding some other object (clubs, bats, chains?), 73 undetermined.

48% of victims were White, 27% Black, 21% Hispanic, and 4% other. https://policeviolencereport.org/

That means 0.001, or 1 in every thousand police officers was involved in a shooting in 2020. Not all shootings were "bad" shoots.

Based on these figures, there is NOTHING wrong in America. There are simply a very few bad or poorly trained officers who get involved in such incidents.

Like "mass shootings" the "bad cop" incidents are blown out of all proportion to the reality of law enforcement in the USA.

You're not wrong. But the problem is, those very few bad actors tend to never be held accountable. Which us mere, lowley civilians feel, that law enforcement is above the law.

That's a problem, no matter how you slice it, no matter how big or small.

 

[Bodi]

What a lot of foreigners don't realize that police are employed and trained by local districts.

We don't have a national police like most countries do.

So a city like Dallas or a town hires a police officer, trains them, and monitors their job performance.

And a lot of foreigners do... although that is irrelevant in this case.

What a lot of Americana don't realize is that is irrelevant. Police can be more efficient, more accountable and less violent.

Based on that video, the cops should be fired and charged with assault and false arrest. She resisted arrest but that doesn't excuse the cop attempting to arrest her without any cause whatsoever and everything else stems from that. This is slightly different from recent situations where, for example, someone has a warrant out and the suspect then resists arrest. I don't see what basis this cop had for further interrogation after the breathalyzer came up negative twice.

PS I grew up going to Wildwood every summer this is disappointing.

PS 2 this video is apparently from several years ago and she got a $325k settlement in December 2020. The officers were not charged. I think the outcome would have been different had this happened today, which is probably why the department decided to settle in December.

Settlement reached in Wildwood beach confrontation caught on police bodycam

A settlement has been reached regarding a violent beach confrontation in Wildwood from Memorial Day Weekend two years ago.

6abc.com

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The “point of the post” seems to be that the actions of a few LEOs in NJ somehow represent all US LEOs.

Why is it that when people criticize any police actions there are those that whine that not all police are bad?

When people attack a teacher that sleeps with a student nobody comes out saying that "not all" teachers do it?

It is because people are smart and understand that... so why can't cop frothers understand this as well?

 

[Bodi]

You're not wrong. But the problem is, those very few bad actors tend to never be held accountable. Which us mere, lowley civilians feel, that law enforcement is above the law.

That's a problem, no matter how you slice it, no matter how big or small.

Agreed. And not being held accountable for abuse, illegal behaviour or shooting and killing a person is so much worse than other professions, for the most part, being corrupt.

The whole criminal justice system is rotten. The police are just the tip of the spear.

Not completely, IMO... but it is pretty freaking bad.

 

[Captain Adverse]

...Why is it that when people criticize any police actions there are those that whine that not all police are bad?

Had you limited your post to an examination of this single incident, you might have some validity asking the bolded above.

However, you titled this thread "What is wrong with American Police."

Followed inside the OP by saying "What is wrong with America?"

By doing so you opened this discussion as an accusation against ALL American police AND the entire nation in general.

When people attack a teacher that sleeps with a student nobody comes out saying that "not all" teachers do it?

It is because people are smart and understand that... so why can't cop frothers understand this as well?

Had you raised an issue about a teacher coupled with the cry "What is wrong with American Teachers, and America," you would probably have gotten a defense of teacher's response too.

What? Did you expect everyone to simply focus on the particular incident when you used it to accuse not only ALL American police, but also America itself?

I rightly responded that there is, IN FACT nothing wrong with American police. That a small number of a vastly larger whole may be problematic, but not sufficient to attack ALL officers of the law.

As for what is wrong with America? That is being discussed in many threads in this Forum. Threads on the growing efforts to undermine American Idealism and push division and socialism by radical elements supported by the leadership of a political Party which IMO has gone...off the deep end.

By the way, those three officers in that incident were "special police," i.e. seasonal personnel hired by the township for duty patrolling the beach during high usage. They were not full-time police officers.

The three officers involved in the arrest are Class II officers, temporary officers typically hired for the summer season. They are trained at the police academy and carry guns.

https://www.inquirer.com/philly/new...ation-results-punch-video-beach-20180605.html

 

[trixare4kids]

Hmmm.

Well there are over 18,000 police departments in the USA, with approximately 1 million full and part-time police officers serving. https://usafacts.org/articles/police-departments-explained/

1,127 people were killed by police in 2020. 80 victims were unarmed.

But 670 had a gun, 180 had a knife, 65 were driving a vehicle, 59 were wielding some other object (clubs, bats, chains?), 73 undetermined.

48% of victims were White, 27% Black, 21% Hispanic, and 4% other. https://policeviolencereport.org/

That means 0.001, or 1 in every thousand police officers was involved in a shooting in 2020. Not all shootings were "bad" shoots.

Based on these figures, there is NOTHING wrong in America. There are simply a very few bad or poorly trained officers who get involved in such incidents.

Like "mass shootings" the "bad cop" incidents are blown out of all proportion to the reality of law enforcement in the USA.

Well argued.
Most know the view expressed in the O/P is simply another faux attempt to say police are bad because it's probably something they heard said in the leftwing echo chamber. It's never about what is right in America where the police are concerned but what's wrong in America... Do we need some reforms and more oversight. Sure, absolutely but leftists love to say nothing is being done in that department as far as police accountability, and that's simply a false narrative. For instance, the cop's vid-cam was one of the biggest improvements in recent years.

 

[Tonawanda]

Apparently not everyone is happy with the New Zealand police.

"Māori make up more than 50 per cent of the prison population, but just 16.5 per cent of the general population.

These numbers can be partially attributed to the disproportionate rate of interaction Māori have with police.

Māori rates of police contact are three times higher than those of non-Māori, and Māori are:

• six times more likely than Pākehā to have a gun pulled on them;
• nine times more likely to be tasered;
• 10 times more likely to have a dog set on them; and
• 11 times more likely to be pepper sprayed.

Lawyer and criminal justice reform advocate Julia Amua Whaipooti (Ngāti Porou) wrote in a piece for The Guardian that racial profiling and systemic racism underpin policing institutions.

“In New Zealand, police violence is nowhere near the scale of the United States, but it is an institution made from the same ingredients,” she wrote.

And Auckland University of Technology criminal justice experts Katey Thom and Khylee Quince (Te Roroa/Ngapuhi and Ngati Porou) recently wrote about the opportunity to reform New Zealand Police, again citing racism.

Maori and Pacific people make up about 25% of New Zealand's population. But in the last decade, 66% of people shot by police have been members of the Maori and Pacific Islander communities, according to advocates and news reports. Maori and Pacific people are also more likely to be tasered and pepper-sprayed than white New Zealanders.

Even the police association has agreed that there has been "institutional bias" in how officers interact with Maori.

Since I don't know much about New Zealand and their law enforcement, I won't be making any blanket statements like WHAT'S WRONG IN NEW ZEALAND/POLICE

New Zealand's force grows while the world calls to defund police

NZ's plan to beef up force seems at odds with moves around the globe to scale back traditional policing.

www.stuff.co.nz

As New Zealand Police Pledge To Stay Unarmed, Maori Activists Credit U.S. Protests

Even as far away as New Zealand, protesters have taken inspiration from America's movement against police abuse of people of color.

www.npr.org

 

[Bodi]

Apparently not everyone is happy with the New Zealand police.

"Māori make up more than 50 per cent of the prison population, but just 16.5 per cent of the general population.

These numbers can be partially attributed to the disproportionate rate of interaction Māori have with police.

Māori rates of police contact are three times higher than those of non-Māori, and Māori are:

• six times more likely than Pākehā to have a gun pulled on them;
• nine times more likely to be tasered;
• 10 times more likely to have a dog set on them; and
• 11 times more likely to be pepper sprayed.

Lawyer and criminal justice reform advocate Julia Amua Whaipooti (Ngāti Porou) wrote in a piece for The Guardian that racial profiling and systemic racism underpin policing institutions.

“In New Zealand, police violence is nowhere near the scale of the United States, but it is an institution made from the same ingredients,” she wrote.

And Auckland University of Technology criminal justice experts Katey Thom and Khylee Quince (Te Roroa/Ngapuhi and Ngati Porou) recently wrote about the opportunity to reform New Zealand Police, again citing racism.

Maori and Pacific people make up about 25% of New Zealand's population. But in the last decade, 66% of people shot by police have been members of the Maori and Pacific Islander communities, according to advocates and news reports. Maori and Pacific people are also more likely to be tasered and pepper-sprayed than white New Zealanders.

Even the police association has agreed that there has been "institutional bias" in how officers interact with Maori.

Since I don't know much about New Zealand and their law enforcement, I won't be making any blanket statements like WHAT'S WRONG IN NEW ZEALAND/POLICE

New Zealand's force grows while the world calls to defund police

NZ's plan to beef up force seems at odds with moves around the globe to scale back traditional policing.

www.stuff.co.nz

As New Zealand Police Pledge To Stay Unarmed, Maori Activists Credit U.S. Protests

Even as far away as New Zealand, protesters have taken inspiration from America's movement against police abuse of people of color.

www.npr.org

The point of the thread is not about who is happy with policing... it is about bad and aggressive policing. That does not really happen here despite your attempt to turn a thread about America into a thread about New Zealand... in fact, thinking about it... all you have done is make an idiotic deflection.

 

[Bodi]

Here is another one:

 

[Bodi]

Well argued.
Most know the view expressed in the O/P is simply another faux attempt to say police are bad because it's probably something they heard said in the leftwing echo chamber. It's never about what is right in America where the police are concerned but what's wrong in America... Do we need some reforms and more oversight. Sure, absolutely but leftists love to say nothing is being done in that department as far as police accountability, and that's simply a false narrative. For instance, the cop's vid-cam was one of the biggest improvements in recent years.

The bold par is all that was needed to not make your post sound utterly stupid... but you had to add all the other crap, LOL

 

[RetiredUSN]

The point of the thread is not about who is happy with policing... it is about bad and aggressive policing. That does not really happen here despite your attempt to turn a thread about America into a thread about New Zealand... in fact, thinking about it... all you have done is make an idiotic deflection.

Tough shit.

You feel free to criticise anytime you don't like things about the US, but when the mud gets slung your way.................. you whine like a little girl.

 

[bomberfox]

The whole criminal justice system is rotten. The police are just the tip of the spear.

The whole justice system is rotten but we get glimmers of hope.

 

[Peter]

It does seem like there are a section of US police who feel that they can treat the public with utter disdain and that any pushback by them however mild and however well informed about the law the citizen is will be met with threats of arrest of a gun waved casually at them.
Those police need to be either put on desk duty or just thrown out because they just give all police a bad reputation and people will have a negative view of police if they've been treated like shit for no reason by them in the past.

I have no idea how many bad cops there are but we've all seen countless videos of traffic stops where a gun is pointed at a citizen for no reason and the person in the car is then arrested for simply objecting to that.

Seriously, police may need to look at more de-escalation training as I honestly think that would solve 90% of the problems and help heal the problems with local communities.

 

[Tonawanda]

it is about bad and aggressive policing. That does not really happen here

Three cops charged with manslaughter over death of man at Hawera Police Station​

An Auckland police officer assaulted an offender with "repeated and gratuitous violence" as "retribution" in 2018, an Independent Police Conduct Authority (IPCA) investigation has confirmed he officer resigned from NZ Police before sentencing and was discharged without conviction in January this year. The officer was charged with four common assaults and threatening to kill. He has been ordered to pay reparation to the man.


Questions are being raised as to why NZ Police officers do not face greater consequences when they are found guilty of misconduct against members of the public.

Concerns raised over police complaints process, treatment of victims of police misconduct

In a letter written to Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and Justice Minister Andrew Little, the founder of the New Zealand Police Conduct Association (NZPCA), Shannon Parker, has called for an overhaul of the system for those mistreated by officers.

Parker is asking why some instances of misconduct are not taken to court when the Independent Police Conduct Authority (IPCA) has ruled against the offending officer, and claims complaints filed by alleged victims are too often dismissed.

"The victims don't feel they've got justice, they don't feel they've been heard. Often they don't know what's happened or why, especially when police haven't bothered to explain it to them."

Three cops charged with manslaughter over death of man at Hawera Police Station

Police have today filed charges of manslaughter against three Police officers in the New Plymouth District Court.

www.newshub.co.nz

Auckland police officer used 'gratuitous violence' against offender as 'retribution' in 2018 - IPCA

"It is never okay for our officers to act, or react, in a violent manner."

www.newshub.co.nz

Concerns raised over police complaints process, treatment of victims of police misconduct

"It can be intimidating, which means we have officers getting away with their behaviour."

www.newshub.co.nz

 

[Bodi]

NZ Police

Make your own thread instead of trying to derail this one. I will gladly participate and you can throw your best at me. Leave this thread to the topic.

Thank you.

 

[Bodi]

It does seem like there are a section of US police who feel that they can treat the public with utter disdain and that any pushback by them however mild and however well informed about the law the citizen is will be met with threats of arrest of a gun waved casually at them.
Those police need to be either put on desk duty or just thrown out because they just give all police a bad reputation and people will have a negative view of police if they've been treated like shit for no reason by them in the past.

I have no idea how many bad cops there are but we've all seen countless videos of traffic stops where a gun is pointed at a citizen for no reason and the person in the car is then arrested for simply objecting to that.

Seriously, police may need to look at more de-escalation training as I honestly think that would solve 90% of the problems and help heal the problems with local communities.

That is the thing... it is not all cops, not even close... it is just waaay too many pulling guns as a first resort or being threatening or invasive as a first resort or going on fishing expeditions using deceptive tactics and the power of their job to intimidate people into answering their irrelevant and invasive questions and waaay too many not stopping the bad ones. Nobody should be stopped by a cop for a tail light out and then asked all these questions about where they are going, where they came from, how they are feeling... the cop should give the ****ing ticket and **** off.

 

[Bodi]

The whole justice system is rotten but we get glimmers of hope.

It is getting better... that is for sure. What is sad is that it is still a ****ing mess... that is how bad it used to be.

Jeezus... how many innocent people have been arrested or threatened by a rage cop
in the past when we see them currently doing knowing that they are ON CAMERA!!

 

[Mika-El]

This is a specific incident. To use it as a basis to then assume ALL police in America are at fault is illogical and bigoted. The assumption all police are bad is no different than assuming all blacks are criminals because a criminal is black or all whites are privileged oppressors, because some are.

If there is a problem it is coming from these assumed generalizations.

In this specific incident the officer who admitted hitting the girl needs a disciplinary sanction and immediate suspension until completion of retraining. He's exposed his city to a costly law suit for false arrest and assault and battery.

The girl was mouthy but not out of control requiring an arrest or physical punches. Furthermore, there was insufficient grounds for arrest.

The girl was not obliged to give her last name unless there were reasonable grounds to believe she had committed crime then been given her Meranda rights before being arrested and formally charged which was not done.

The officer claimed he hit her because he kicked him. He can not punch as a form of restraint or retaliation. Proper 5raining would require imobilizing the less with a baton placed behind her knees or waiting for a female officer. There was no imminent threat necessitating not waiting for a female officer , skipping reading the Miranda rights and there was no crime committed simply because she did not give her full name.