Ex-Gay Camps. One major flaw.

[rathi]

After having read an article about one the camps designed to "convert" gay people back to being straight. I came across one serious flaw. How the hell is concentrating a bunch of gay people in one location going to "cure" them of their desires. Is a lesbian really going to reform her ways after being surrounded by other lesbians? Seems more likely that they would be happy that they could find others of similar persuasion. Its not like they would say, try and pursue people that they Know are gay.

Whats next, trying to cure nyphomania by putting them in close quaters with other nymphomaniacs?

 

[RawSitra]

The people who were "fixed", as they say, weren't exactly gay in the first place. To add on, they were probably religiously influenced into fearing their sexuality. I'm not really interested in the subject though, just responding to share the thought.

 

[FallingPianos]

no scientific studies have been done on ex-gay camps, but there are a lot of stories of people becoming gay again soon after leaving the camp. I'm skepticle of their efficacy.

 

[Thelost1]

Well, they probably just supressed their sexuality for the rest of their lives, told their loved ones that they were better, married heterosexually, and were never happy.

 

[hipsterdufus]

I don't have their names in front of me, but 2 men who ran an ex-gay camp ended up running off to be with each other.

It's just what this country needs, more suppressed gays!:roll:

 

[FallingPianos]

I don't have their names in front of me, but 2 men who ran an ex-gay camp ended up running off to be with each other.

It's just what this country needs, more suppressed gays!:roll:

while we're using anecdotal evidence, this guy's story explains it pretty well.

 

[jennyb]

he doesnt explain anything....he makes it sound like being gay is akin to having a disease.

 

[Ivan The Terrible]

After having read an article about one the camps designed to "convert" gay people back to being straight. I came across one serious flaw. How the hell is concentrating a bunch of gay people in one location going to "cure" them of their desires. Is a lesbian really going to reform her ways after being surrounded by other lesbians? Seems more likely that they would be happy that they could find others of similar persuasion. Its not like they would say, try and pursue people that they Know are gay.

Whats next, trying to cure nyphomania by putting them in close quaters with other nymphomaniacs?

I see the logic in your statement and find the idea rather amusing. However, what's wrong with people trying to work together to solve there problem?

 

[americanwoman]

I see the logic in your statement and find the idea rather amusing. However, what's wrong with people trying to work together to solve there problem?

Why should being gay "be a problem"? It's not their problem, it's just the way they are.

 

[jallman]

I see the logic in your statement and find the idea rather amusing. However, what's wrong with people trying to work together to solve there problem?

True, except I would like to make note that these people do not have a problem. Homosexuality is not a disease, nor is it a mental ailment. You cannot cure a homosexual.

 

[ngdawg]

he doesnt explain anything....he makes it sound like being gay is akin to having a disease.

Because, until he found peace, he was led to believe it was....did you read the whole story?

 

[Rosalie]

This is the "One major flaw" you find with Ex-Gay camps!? Not the fact that they're ethically indefensible and one of the most vile concepts in existence?

I see the logic in your statement and find the idea rather amusing. However, what's wrong with people trying to work together to solve there problem?

Homosexuality is not the problem. Your attitude, which helps create an aura of acceptence for this barbarism, is.

 

[jallman]

This is the "One major flaw" you find with Ex-Gay camps!? Not the fact that they're ethically indefensible and one of the most vile concepts in existence?



Homosexuality is not the problem. Your attitude, which helps create an aura of acceptence for this barbarism, is.

Dear god, do you have to be in constant attack mode?

 

[rathi]

This is the "One major flaw" you find with Ex-Gay camps!? Not the fact that they're ethically indefensible and one of the most vile concepts in existence?

You misunderstand me. It is "A" major flaw not a "the" major flaw. There are many other flaws, I just wanted to call attention to this one. Not to mention this was not intended as an entirely serious post.

The implication of course, was that putting a bunch of gay people together is more likely to lead to gay sex than it will anything else. Given the reason that these gay camps are created, it is somewhat ironic.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

After having read an article about one the camps designed to "convert" gay people back to being straight. I came across one serious flaw. How the hell is concentrating a bunch of gay people in one location going to "cure" them of their desires. Is a lesbian really going to reform her ways after being surrounded by other lesbians? Seems more likely that they would be happy that they could find others of similar persuasion. Its not like they would say, try and pursue people that they Know are gay.

Whats next, trying to cure nyphomania by putting them in close quaters with other nymphomaniacs?

I believe the theory here is something similar to a substance abuse rehab. Get together a whole group of similar people all aiming towards the same goal and they can assist each other in reaching this goal by working together. The problem here is that homosexuality is not a mental illness and, therefore, not a problem that can be solved. However, if we look at it from the 'homosexuality can be cured' position, this does fit in with the group therapuetic model. The goal here would be to work on controlling ones desires, and doing it in a group setting, gaining support and assistance from others, cold be very effective...if the issue itself wasn't totally fallicious to begin with.

 

[rathi]

I believe the theory here is something similar to a substance abuse rehab. Get together a whole group of similar people all aiming towards the same goal and they can assist each other in reaching this goal by working together. The problem here is that homosexuality is not a mental illness and, therefore, not a problem that can be solved. However, if we look at it from the 'homosexuality can be cured' position, this does fit in with the group therapuetic model. The goal here would be to work on controlling ones desires, and doing it in a group setting, gaining support and assistance from others, cold be very effective...if the issue itself wasn't totally fallicious to begin with.

Yes, but in rehab, they don't normally put a bunch of cocaine right in front of the people. I mean its one thing to say "hey jenny, could you stay here and keep me focused so I don't start thinking about cravings for coke" and another to say " hey jenny, could you stay here and keep me focused so I don't start thinking about your delightful and delicious body." Giving a shoulder rub to a crackhead that is helping you fight a coke addiction is not the same as giving a shoulder rub to a lesbian who is supposed to be helping you fight your desire to touch other girls.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Yes, but in rehab, they don't normally put a bunch of cocaine right in front of the people. I mean its one thing to say "hey jenny, could you stay here and keep me focused so I don't start thinking about cravings for coke" and another to say " hey jenny, could you stay here and keep me focused so I don't start thinking about your delightful and delicious body." Giving a shoulder rub to a crackhead that is helping you fight a coke addiction is not the same as giving a shoulder rub to a lesbian who is supposed to be helping you fight your desire to touch other girls.

I agree with you, rathi. However, the 'homosexuals can be cured' crowd believes so completely this theory, that they use the substance abuse therapuetic model to perform their 'cures'. You must remember that if these people actually paid attention to scientific research, they wouldn't be trying to 'treat' gays, anyway. This type of treatment is ridiculous and, without question doesn't work, simply because their is no illness with regards to homosexuality

 

[Alastor]

Yes, but in rehab, they don't normally put a bunch of cocaine right in front of the people.

I just wanted to say that was frickin' hillarious!

I'd point out that at a "gay recovery camp" or whatever the Hell they call it they might very well take all the gay girls and make them date all the gay boys until they get bored and decide to bump uglies out of simple lack of anything better to do and then call them "recovered."

Oh, and throw in a healthy dose of religious terrorism on top of that and you got yourself a "cure."