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Ex-FBI lawyer to plead guilty in first criminal case arising from review, sources say

Geez all that spying on Page and how many crimes was he charged for?
 
Geez all that spying on Page and how many crimes was he charged for?

Counter intelligence investigations aren't centered around charging people with crimes. They're centered around the gathering of, or the understanding of information.
 
My friend, that was nothing but bad optics. If you know what was actually discussed on that tarmac, perhaps you can tell all of us what trump has been discussing with Putin in all his secret meetings and phone calls?
He was asking Putin what Obama meant when he was caught on a hot mic passing a message to Vlad.
 
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The author is mistaken, because unless Durham is a time traveler, the fact that an FBI lawyer altered emails rose out of the Horowitz investigation last year in 2019:

An FBI lawyer altered emails and changed his story when talking to the inspector general

https://www.justice.gov/storage/120919-examination.pdf

And you can see that for yourself on page 250 of the Horowitz report itself.
AGAIN Durham investigated the IG criminal referral and after Durham's investigation of Clinesmith he decided there was enough evidence of criminal wrong doing to indict Clinesmith. It was Durham's decision to indict the IG has no authority to indict. You lost the bet.





Sorry but you proposed the bet and I accepted your terms. YOU LOST! Real men do not welsh on their bets.

I've explained to you that I decided against finalizing the bet during the negotiations because I decided you were being unreasonable. If you disagree then you can bring this downstairs where people can come to a decision where I'll abide by a majority consensus. If you decide not to go that route then I'll consider this finished and done, and I will no longer respond to accusations of welshing. In any case, the second point, which is true, is made moot by the first point.
 
AGAIN Durham investigated the IG criminal referral and after Durham's investigation of Clinesmith he decided there was enough evidence of criminal wrong doing to indict Clinesmith. It was Durham's decision to indict the IG has no authority to indict.

Arising out of the investigation of the Durham investigation. Durham merely prosecuted some dude that a completely different dude in a completely different investigation publicly revealed a year earlier.

That wording aside...by your definition, Durham could have arrested literally anybody in the country as the result of any other investigation and you would have "won the bet." Durham could have arrested your mom for unpaid parking tickets and you would have "won the bet."

Ha ha. No.
 
Arising out of the investigation of the Durham investigation. Durham merely prosecuted some dude that a completely different dude in a completely different investigation publicly revealed a year earlier.

That wording aside...by your definition, Durham could have arrested literally anybody in the country as the result of any other investigation and you would have "won the bet." Durham could have arrested your mom for unpaid parking tickets and you would have "won the bet."

Ha ha. No.
You lost and now you are welshing on the bet YOU made.
 
You lost and now you are welshing on the bet YOU made.

I see you've run out of arguments, and that's fine.

As I have said, you have recourse downstairs in the court of public opinion, if you choose to use it. If not, that's not my problem.
 
What do you suppose his motivation was? BTW, here is a page from Hope Hicks's June, 2019 testimony.

To distill it, she says Carter Page could not be separated from the Trump campaign because he was never a part of it.


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That’s odd.

Because Donald Trump himself identified Carter Page as a “senior foreign policy advisor” in an interview with the Washington Post about foreign policy in the spring of 2016. About the same time as the Trump Tower meeting.
 
Flynn testified "under oath" that he was satisfied with his legal representation. They probably can't say whether they were particularly satisfied with him since he filed a false FARA statement through them

This post is compartmentalized stupidity. How could he be satisfied with his representation when he filed for new counsel? Yes, they did file it and that was the point, they were unwilling to recognize mistakes in the filing that led to the charges which led to a less than full defense of Flynn.
 
I see you've run out of arguments, and that's fine.

As I have said, you have recourse downstairs in the court of public opinion, if you choose to use it. If not, that's not my problem.
Hey the argument is simple . You made the bet . Durham investigated and indicted Clinesmith. You lost the bet and now you are welshing on the bet you made. I not surprised you are a welsher . A real man would honor his bet.
 
This post is compartmentalized stupidity. How could he be satisfied with his representation when he filed for new counsel? Yes, they did file it and that was the point, they were unwilling to recognize mistakes in the filing that led to the charges which led to a less than full defense of Flynn.

Meanwhile your own once again has a certain magnificence in it's abject stupidity. He testified under oath that he was satisfied, and any lawyer will tell you that their defense hinges on you being open and candid with them. They can't defend you properly if you aren't willing to be truthful with them. If you lie to them you not only harm your own credibility, you harm theirs as well.
 
Counter intelligence investigations aren't centered around charging people with crimes. They're centered around the gathering of, or the understanding of information.

Bull****, it is against the law to spy on a citizen unless there is ample evidence that person in particular is involved in espionage for foreign countries. Your post is typical nonsensical garbage espoused by Obama criminals
 
This post is compartmentalized stupidity. How could he be satisfied with his representation when he filed for new counsel? Yes, they did file it and that was the point, they were unwilling to recognize mistakes in the filing that led to the charges which led to a less than full defense of Flynn.

Man! The underinformed are unusually surly tonight, if that's even possible....

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Your answers thus far would seem to belie that claim. Flynn is going get his due process just as soon as the case remanded back to Sullivan's court so that he make his rulings. Flynn's lawyer was the trying leap frog that process and she hasn't presented anything Mueller, the DOJ, or Sullivan didn't have all along, or haven't seen already. That's why his Brady motion was denied despite his lawyer's best efforts to misrepresent or distort selective portions of it.
USA Shea's footnote in an exhibit he submitted in support of a Barr sanctioned, DOJ filing of a motion to dismiss Flynn's guilty plea(s) with prejudice,
a motion to dismiss that has dazzled the cult of Trump.:

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/...92.198.0_6.pdf
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USA Shea's minimizing footnote 6, versus (contradicted by?) this, in Exhibit 3:
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/...92.198.3_1.pdf
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This post is compartmentalized stupidity. How could he be satisfied with his representation when he filed for new counsel? Yes, they did file it and that was the point, they were unwilling to recognize mistakes in the filing that led to the charges which led to a less than full defense of Flynn.
And,
Bull****, it is against the law to spy on a citizen unless there is ample evidence that person in particular is involved in espionage for foreign countries. Your post is typical nonsensical garbage espoused by Obama criminals

Man! The underinformed are unusually surly tonight, if that's even possible....

As the DOJ pointed out, the evidence doesn't support the charges (The statements from the witnesses that no lie occurred, the statement that Comey saw nothing wrong with the conversation, the FBI clearing Flynn of being a Russian agent, the transcripts in which sanctions were not discussed).
It all matters as it shows there was no reason to be interviewing Flynn and as such his statements were not material and thus the law was not broken.

USA Shea's footnote in an exhibit he submitted in support of a Barr sanctioned, DOJ filing of a motion to dismiss Flynn's guilty plea(s) with prejudice, a motion to dismiss that has dazzled the cult of Trump.:

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/...92.198.0_6.pdf
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USA Shea's minimizing footnote 6, versus (contradicted by?) this, in Exhibit 3:
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/...92.198.3_1.pdf
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And,


Man! The underinformed are unusually surly tonight, if that's even possible....

Nope I am 100% correct when it comes to FISA, your nonsensical post is typical leftist propaganda
 
Man! The underinformed are unusually surly tonight, if that's even possible....

Quite funny considering the investigative agents that talked to him were going to close the case because there was nothing there. The FBI bungled that and Strzok was allowed to re-open the case without it ever going higher up for review.

The so called serious security risk is what exactly? When he wasn't working for a Democrat?
 
Nope I am 100% correct when it comes to FISA, your nonsensical post is typical leftist propaganda

I've been reading Dr. Marcy Wheeler's, AKA "empotywheel" succinct analysis since she live blogged the Scooter Libby criminal trial nearly 15 years ago. In the current era, she spotlighted the mendacity of Daily Caller's Chuck Ross, a Tucker Carlson, "hire". Perhaps you've been ready disinfo of Chuck Ross, or the Trump to Hannity to Sara Carter and John Solomon, "feed"?

DOJ's Accounting of Its FISA Errors Cannot Be Compared to the Carter Page Report | emptywheel

DOJ’s Accounting of Its FISA Errors Cannot Be Compared to the Carter Page Report
August 7, 2020 - by emptywheel

She's supported entirely by contributions from grateful readers. On the rare occasion when she discovers she has been inaccurate, or incorrect, she quickly points out what she was in error about, and corrects it.
She is an open book, compared to the influences shaping your opinions,
Marcy Wheeler - Wikipedia

...and, so am I, to the extent it is possible in this forum, over populated as it is with "hair on fire" level indignation of what meets the definition of a cult of personality.
 
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Meanwhile your own once again has a certain magnificence in it's abject stupidity. He testified under oath that he was satisfied, and any lawyer will tell you that their defense hinges on you being open and candid with them. They can't defend you properly if you aren't willing to be truthful with them. If you lie to them you not only harm your own credibility, you harm theirs as well.

If you recall the counsel wasn't open and candid with him, were they? Nor was the judge Contreras who had to recuse himself because he was friends with Strzok. Gee, looks like nobody was open and candid, were they?

To underscore that: Why Covington's Constrained as Michael Flynn Flays His Former Defense Team | National Law Journal

Exculpatory information not revealed to Flynn, by his counsel, was stated as one of the reasons for the change. When counsel hides possible information that could lead to a robust defense rather than a plea, that's a bad look for any firm.
 
I've been reading Dr. Marcy Wheeler's, AKA "empotywheel" succinct analysis since she live blogged the Scooter Libby criminal trial nearly 15 years ago. In the current era, she spotlighted the mendacity of Daily Caller's Chuck Ross, a Tucker Carlson, "hire". Perhaps you've been ready disinfo of Chuck Ross, or the Trump to Hannity to Sara Carter and John Solomon, "feed"?

No one is interested in giving you hit for a ****ty blog no one gives a **** about. Focus and discuss the topic.
 
I've been reading Dr. Marcy Wheeler's, AKA "empotywheel" succinct analysis since she live blogged the Scooter Libby criminal trial nearly 15 years ago. In the current era, she spotlighted the mendacity of Daily Caller's Chuck Ross, a Tucker Carlson, "hire". Perhaps you've been ready disinfo of Chuck Ross, or the Trump to Hannity to Sara Carter and John Solomon, "feed"?

I didn’t read any of that, and I don’t care. The surveillance on Carter Page was illegal and unwarranted, there was no evidence that he was a foreign spy
 
I didn’t read any of that, and I don’t care. The surveillance on Carter Page was illegal and unwarranted, there was no evidence that he was a foreign spy

I just presented the 14 months old, sworn testimony of Trump campaign luminary, Hope Hicks. No one I am aware of is closer or more trusted by Trump than "Hopey". She testified that Carter Page was not separated from the 2016 campaign, because he was never part of it....

What do you suppose his motivation was? BTW, here is a page from Hope Hicks's June, 2019 testimony.

To distill it, she says Carter Page could not be separated from the Trump campaign because he was never a part of it.
...

In this post, and in the post that follows it, I've presented who I am, and the influences that have shaped my values and my approach to becoming and trying to stay informed. I describe my stepsons and my best friend during my school years. Politically, we do not agree on much more than we agree about.

..I'm sharing the following because I sense some reasonableness in your posts. I believe I have reasonable, (informed) political perspective.

I don't know you, and have no idea what you consider "centrist". My dad served ....
Continued...

I am a reasonable person, as a reasonable person probably readily understands, after reading my two posts describing my background.

If you want to have an actual discussion in which you share links and descriptions of the sources of information most heavily influencing your opinions and conclusions, I am eager to consider them.

I have no agenda, other than learning what is closest to verifiable facts. Obama lost me in fall, 2008, when he voted with republicans to renew some provision of Bush era repressive surveillance I can't fully recall now. I labeled him a tyrant, after the droning of Al-Awaki and soon after, his son, as I described in one of the two posts I described above.

If you make the mistake of being taken in by Trump-Barr-Sidney Powell, it will be to your detriment, not mine. Read Judge Emmet Sullivan's 92 page response, last December, to Barr assisted, Sidney Powell's "pleadings".
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthe...9adec234490b7ff0b7b/optimized/full.pdf#page=1

Or, do you suspect Judge Sullivan is, "in on out", the "frame",LOL.:

Original version, Washington Post article dated 12/16/2019 ruling by Judge Sullivan I've linked to, ABOVE...
https://archive.vn/20191216213837/h...9ae816-f4dd-11e9-a285-882a8e386a96_story.html
Michael Flynn’s sentencing set for Jan. 28 after judge rejects his attacks on FBI, Justice Department
.....

Read the "talk" page, Talk:United States v. Flynn - Wikipedia

revealing how this wikipedia article came to contain what is currently displayed in it!

United States v. Flynn - Wikipedia
 
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Do you think he acted on his own when he falsified the document?

Oh Jack.

You're beating around the QAnon bush again and pretending people can't see it. Dont blow your cover, my guy.

Stay jovial.




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Thought had by person at the White House: If you can remember, man, woman, car, camera, TV, you are fit to lead a country and no one has anything to worry about
 
I just presented the 14 months old, sworn testimony of Trump campaign luminary, Hope Hicks. No one I am aware of is closer or more trusted by Trump than "Hopey". She testified that Carter Page was not separated from the 2016 campaign, because he was never part of it....


In this post, and in the post that follows it, I've presented who I am, and the influences that have shaped my values and my approach to becoming and trying to stay informed. I describe my stepsons and my best friend during my school years. Politically, we do not agree on much more than we agree about.



I am a reasonable person, as a reasonable person probably readily understands, after reading my two posts describing my background.

If you want to have an actual discussion in which you share links and descriptions of the sources of information most heavily influencing your opinions and conclusions, I am eager to consider them.

I have no agenda, other than learning what is closest to verifiable facts. Obama lost me in fall, 2008, when he voted with republicans to renew some provision of Bush era repressive surveillance I can't fully recall now. I labeled him a tyrant, after the droning of Al-Awaki and soon after, his son, as I described in one of the two posts I described above.

If you make the mistake of being taken in by Trump-Barr-Sidney Powell, it will be to your detriment, not mine. Read Judge Emmet Sullivan's 92 page response, last December, to Barr assisted, Sidney Powell's "pleadings".
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthe...9adec234490b7ff0b7b/optimized/full.pdf#page=1

Or, do you suspect Judge Sullivan is, "in on out", the "frame",LOL.:

Original version, Washington Post article dated 12/16/2019 ruling by Judge Sullivan I've linked to, ABOVE...


Read the "talk" page, Talk:United States v. Flynn - Wikipedia

revealing how this wikipedia article came to contain what is currently displayed in it!

United States v. Flynn - Wikipedia

Thanks I will read them
 
If you recall the counsel wasn't open and candid with him, were they? Nor was the judge Contreras who had to recuse himself because he was friends with Strzok. Gee, looks like nobody was open and candid, were they?

To underscore that: Why Covington's Constrained as Michael Flynn Flays His Former Defense Team | National Law Journal

Exculpatory information not revealed to Flynn, by his counsel, was stated as one of the reasons for the change. When counsel hides possible information that could lead to a robust defense rather than a plea, that's a bad look for any firm.

More accurately put Contreras's wife and Strzok's wife were good neighbors and friends, whereas judge Contreras and Agent Strzok were seldom home being as busy as they were and not nearly familiar with one another as their respective wives were. But that is just another example of the courts taking extra care to make sure Flynn was being treated fairly and really have been quite patient with his motions for extra judicial processes often no matter how contrived they were in law or fact. There has been nothing, I repeat, nothing, that come from these motions that were 'new' to the government, Mueller, Judge Sullivan, or even Flynn himself, and none of it was exculpatory, as per his Brady motion rulings.
 
If you recall the counsel wasn't open and candid with him, were they? Nor was the judge Contreras who had to recuse himself because he was friends with Strzok. Gee, looks like nobody was open and candid, were they?

To underscore that: Why Covington's Constrained as Michael Flynn Flays His Former Defense Team | National Law Journal

Exculpatory information not revealed to Flynn, by his counsel, was stated as one of the reasons for the change. When counsel hides possible information that could lead to a robust defense rather than a plea, that's a bad look for any firm.

And what exactly was Covington not open about besides their terms of service? Only Flynn knew all he had done. Covington had no way of knowing that he wasn't telling the government, or them the truth in that written statement.
 
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