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Ex-CIA spy admits tip led to Nelson Mandela's long imprisonment

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A tip from a CIA spy to authorities in apartheid-era South Africa led to Nelson Mandela’s arrest, beginning the leader’s 27 years behind bars, a report said on Sunday.Donald Rickard, a former US vice-consul in Durban and CIA operative, told British film director John Irvin that he had been involved in Mandela’s arrest in 1962, which was seen as necessary because the Americans believed he was “completely under the control of the Soviet Union”, according to a report in the Sunday Times newspaper.
“He could have incited a war in South Africa, the United States would have to get involved, grudgingly, and things could have gone to hell,” Rickard said.


Zizi Kodwa, national spokesman of Mandela’s ruling African National Congress (ANC) party, called the revelation “a serious indictment”.
“We always knew there was always collaboration between some western countries and the apartheid regime,” he said.
He claimed that though the incident happened decades ago, the CIA was still interfering in South African politics.


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Is anyone shocked? Im sure not. Its just another evil action to add to the long list of evil actions carried out by the CIA.
 

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Evil action?
Hilarious.

The guy deserved to be in prison.
 

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Mandela was a terrorist back in the day, he deserved to be in prison at some point.

He got his **** together later on, but there was a time....

At the time I can see why the CIA would have done it. Of course, things turned out well in the end, but at the time.....

The Cold War was a strange time.

A time for very utilitarian maneuvering.

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Is anyone shocked? Im sure not. Its just another evil action to add to the long list of evil actions carried out by the CIA. [/FONT][/COLOR]

Lol.
 

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Donald Rickard, a former US vice-consul in Durban and CIA operative, told British film director John Irvin that he had been involved in Mandela’s arrest in 1962,
Is anyone shocked? Im sure not. Its just another evil action to add to the long list of evil actions carried out by the CIA. [/FONT][/COLOR]

Let me ask.

When a prior CIA, NSA, FBI or Military Officer tells you that UFOs and Aliens are real, do you believe them too?
Or is it only on stuff you want to believe?
 

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Let me ask.

When a prior CIA, NSA, FBI or Military Officer tells you that UFOs and Aliens are real, do you believe them too?
Or is it only on stuff you want to believe?

1.)Its long been reported that the CIA was involved in the arrest of Mandela and against the anti-apartheid movement in South Africa
2.)Confirmed that he worked in Durban and was a CIA operative
3.)CIA has denied to comment
4.)CIA is also currently fighting a FOIA request that is related to Mandela and the CIA's activities around the time of his arrest
5.)Would not surprise me at all if this man is telling the truth
 

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1.)Its long been reported that the CIA was involved in the arrest of Mandela and against the anti-apartheid movement in South Africa
2.)Confirmed that he worked in Durban and was a CIA operative
3.)CIA has denied to comment
4.)CIA is also currently fighting a FOIA request that is related to Mandela and the CIA's activities around the time of his arrest
5.)Would not surprise me at all if this man is telling the truth
You answer was non-responsive.
Again.


When a prior CIA, NSA, FBI or Military Officer tells you that UFOs and Aliens are real, do you believe them too?
Or is it only on stuff you want to believe?


#5 seems like that is something you want to believe.

Never mind.
I will just accept your non-responsiveness as an affirmative.
 

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It's too bad he made it out of prison to become a fake hero around the world.
 

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It's too bad he made it out of prison to become a fake hero around the world.

Ahhh yes the Mandela haters everywhere... A lame excuse for trying to justify racist apartheid and imperialism in South Africa.
 

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Mandela was a communist terrorist.

:lamo
1.)He was a socialist
2.)According to the US he was a terrorist until 2008
3.)The title of who is a "terrorist" is completely subjective and is mainly used for political purposes
 

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1.)He was a socialist
2.)According to the US he was a terrorist until 2008
3.)The title of who is a "terrorist" is completely subjective and is mainly used for political purposes

He was a communist terrorist. No arguing that.
 

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He was a communist terrorist. No arguing that.

:lamo
1.)Not a communist. A socialist
2.)The title of who is a "terrorist" is completely subjective and is mainly used for political purposes. So yes, there is arguing "that".
 

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1.)Not a communist. A socialist
2.)The title of who is a "terrorist" is completely subjective and is mainly used for political purposes. So yes, there is arguing "that".

The left wing revisionists are out in full force lmao.

He was a communist terrorist. No arguing that.

When the conversation veers left, TDS doesn't care for facts.
 

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The left wing revisionists are out in full force lmao.

:lamo Oh yea, I am such a "revisionist" because I dont uphold the opinion of Mandela being a terrorist and/or communist :roll:
 

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Please show me the facts.....

So you're denying that Mandela was a leader in MK, the far left terrorist organization that killed over a hundred thirty people, most being civilians? La la land is painted with blood these days.
 

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He was a communist terrorist. No arguing that.

:lamo
1.)Not a communist. A socialist
2.)The title of who is a "terrorist" is completely subjective and is mainly used for political purposes. So yes, there is arguing "that".

He was neither a communist or a socialist. He was a Marxist totalitarian who used both labels (communist and socialist) to help further his agenda of putting himself and the South African Communist Party in power (mostly himself). He sued the inhumane abuses of Apartheid to draw in supporters and then turned around and used many of the same tactics against the whites in SA. He wasn't about all people being equal, he was about him at the top, this fellow blacks beneath him and whites beneath them. Mandela was also a tool of the Soviets, who used him as a sock puppet leader of SA, while they were the ones who were truly running the show.
 

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Here are just a few of the acts of terrorism that Mandela confessed to:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Street_bombing
The Church Street bombing was a car bomb attack on 20 May 1983 in the South African capital Pretoria by Umkhonto we Sizwe, the military wing of the African National Congress. The bombing killed 19, including two perpetrators, and wounded 217,[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP] and was one of the most deadly terrorist attacks engaged in by the ANC during its armed struggle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanzimtoti_bombing
The
Amanzimtoti bombing took place on 23 December 1985 when five civilians were killed and 40 were injured when MK cadre Andrew Sibusiso Zondo detonated an explosive in a rubbish bin at a shopping centre.

 

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So you're denying that Mandela was a leader in MK,
Nope. Never denied that

the far left terrorist organization that killed over a hundred thirty people, most being civilians?
1.)The Umkhonto we Sizwe was made up of socialists, communists, and anti-imperialists some being left wing some being non-ideological on the left-right political axis.
2.)During the period when Mandela was out of prison and helped lead the Umkhonto we Sizwe, they carried out sabotage against the Rhodesian state. This was sabotage of material not killing. He favored sabotage because, "it did not involve loss of life, it offered the best hope for reconciliation among the races afterwards.. This we hope would bring the government to the bargaining table. Strict instructions were given to members of MK that we would countenance no loss of life." https://books.google.com/books?id=s...MAhUs0YMKHS1-Cn4Q6AEIHTAA#v=onepage&q&f=false
3.)The dates when the Umkhonto we Sizwe undertook a bombing campaign of soft targets, often leading to the death of civilians was when Mandela was imprisoned and had no communication with the Umkhonto we Sizwe.
4.)Its also important to note that after Mandela's imprisonment Umkhonto we Sizwe was in shambles and lacked little discipline.
5.) In conclusion its pretty silly to blame Mandela for these deaths for the above state reasons.

La la land is painted with blood these days.
:roll: :yawn:
 

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Nope. Never denied that


1.)The Umkhonto we Sizwe was made up of socialists, communists, and anti-imperialists some being left wing some being non-ideological on the left-right political axis.
2.)During the period when Mandela was out of prison and helped lead the Umkhonto we Sizwe, they carried out sabotage against the Rhodesian state. This was sabotage of material not killing. He favored sabotage because, "it did not involve loss of life, it offered the best hope for reconciliation among the races afterwards.. This we hope would bring the government to the bargaining table. Strict instructions were given to members of MK that we would countenance no loss of life." https://books.google.com/books?id=s...MAhUs0YMKHS1-Cn4Q6AEIHTAA#v=onepage&q&f=false
3.)The dates when the Umkhonto we Sizwe undertook a bombing campaign of soft targets, often leading to the death of civilians was when Mandela was imprisoned and had no communication with the Umkhonto we Sizwe.
4.)Its also important to note that after Mandela's imprisonment Umkhonto we Sizwe was in shambles and lacked little discipline.
5.) In conclusion its pretty silly to blame Mandela for these deaths for the above state reasons.

Holy mental gymnastics, Batman.

I'll take a page out of Apdst's book and stop wasting my time.

You people are something else.

:roll: :yawn:

You're like a living caricature.

Here are just a few of the acts of terrorism that Mandela confessed to:

That's all right wing propaganda./s
 
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