Harry Guerrilla
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Well, she's the one who tried to get her staffers to sign away their rights to report her for violations. Kind of suspicious. If Obama did that, you'd be apoplectic and Limbaugh would need more Oxycontin than usual.
Looks like the topic has embarrassed you. Good.
Meanwhile, Bachmann has stiffed her own staffers, who now allege campaign violation (and they should know). More evidence of the moral meltdown of the tea party.
Nothing has been proven yet.
Well, she's the one who tried to get her staffers to sign away their rights to report her for violations. Kind of suspicious. If Obama did that, you'd be apoplectic and Limbaugh would need more Oxycontin than usual.
No, Bachmann has been ACCUSED of stiffing her staff...
See the difference?
I would be? Man, I'm glad you know me so well! Have we met? Don't try to perpetuate your partisanship onto me. I call it how I see it. If Bachmann shorted staffers, she sucks. No two ways about it. The big difference is, it's still an allegation with her. Pres Obama's campaign was found guilty of violations. Can you answer for that or are you going to continue to avoid your boy's faults and point out everyone else's?
And what is wrong with that?No, that's not an accusation but a fact. Bachmann made payment contingent on them signing a nondisclosure statement, which they refused. That is not in contention.
What 'strongarming' can you prove?The contention is whether she violated campaign finance rules, which seem increasingly likely since she attempted to strongarm her staffers -- very close staffers by the way -- into not reporting her.
There's that "serious" word again. So subjective......What do you not understand about the article provided earlier bro? The guy's campaign had one of the largest fines in history levied against it. I guess it was the death by 1000 cuts theory huh?Obama's campaign was not found liable for any substantive violations. Bachmann, however, faces serious allegations.
No, that's not an accusation but a fact. Bachmann made payment contingent on them signing a nondisclosure statement, which they refused. That is not in contention.
The contention is whether she violated campaign finance rules, which seem increasingly likely since she attempted to strongarm her staffers -- very close staffers by the way -- into not reporting her.
Lines were long and tempers flared Wednesday not to vote but to get paid for canvassing for Barack Obama. Several hundred people are still waiting to get their pay for last-minute campaigning. Police were called to the Obama campaign office on North Meridian Street downtown to control the crowd.
The line was long and the crowd was angry at times.
"I want my money today! It's my money. I want it right now!" yelled one former campaign worker.
There's that "serious" word again. So subjective......What do you not understand about the article provided earlier bro? The guy's campaign had one of the largest fines in history levied against it. I guess it was the death by 1000 cuts theory huh?
Waldron also alleges that the campaign concealed payments to Iowa state campaign chairman Kent Sorenson, a state senator who abruptly left the Bachmann camp to join then-U.S. Rep. Ron Paul's insurgent campaign. Under Iowa Senate rules, Waldron maintains, Sorenson could not perform paid work for a presidential campaign.
FEC records show that the campaign paid Short more than $104,580 through his Colorado-based company, C&M Strategies, between July and November of 2011. At the same time, MichelePAC, the leadership organization that Short helped her start, was paying him an average of $5,000 a month.
Records show no payments from the campaign to Short or his company in the month leading up to the Jan. 3, 2012, Iowa caucuses, where Bachmann finished in sixth place.
Short, who had worked in Bachmann's congressional office and also on her 2012 congressional campaign, told campaign workers at the time that he was volunteering on the Bachmann presidential campaign. Others were asked to do the same as the campaign limped through the final days of the Iowa caucuses.
But the FEC records show that MichelePAC made two separate $20,000 payments to Short on Dec. 6 and Jan. 3, a time when he was supervising operations for the Iowa campaign as Bachmann's national political director, which is not typically a volunteer position.
While Short continued to get paid, others agreed to forgo checks during the Christmas season. Among them were Waldron and a half-dozen other workers who are still owed money from the campaign. "To me, that was unconscionable," Waldron said.
One of those involved in the payment dispute is Barbara Heki, who sued the campaign last year over the use of a database listing the names and e-mail addresses of thousands of Christian home-school families. Although the campaign eventually agreed to pay $2,000 for the list, the lawsuit continues, as does a separate criminal investigation
Seems this is common (note how similar Bachmann and Obama are...):
Obama campaign: Unpaid wages resolved - 13 WTHR Indianapolis
In the end the discrepancy was alleviated and I’m sure the same will occur in the Bachmann episode…stiff indeed...:lamo
All the personal insults and metaposting by the tea party types only shows how discredited conservatism in. Bachmann stiffs her staff and now faces campaign violation charges, and all the conservatives can do is talk about me.
More evidence that conservatism is morally bankrupt.
And what is wrong with that?
What 'strongarming' can you prove?
Subjective? Did you read the article. She faces a criminal investigation.
Obama's campaign was not found liable for any substantive violations. Bachmann, however, faces serious allegations.
“$375,000 is a huge fine,”...“It may one of their top five- or 10-largest fines.”...
Bob Dole set a record for FEC fines on his 1996 campaign when he paid $100,000 two years later
You would have to demonstrate that this particular confidentiality agreement is any different from any of the other tens of thousands of confidentiality agreements out there.The criminal investigation has the task of proving her crimes, but the strongarming isn't even denied. Bachmann withheld payment contingent on the staffers signing away their rights to report campaign violations. She doesn't even deny that.
Subjective? Did you read the article. She faces a criminal investigation.
One of those involved in the payment dispute is Barbara Heki, who sued the campaign last year over the use of a database listing the names and e-mail addresses of thousands of Christian home-school families. Although the campaign eventually agreed to pay $2,000 for the list, the lawsuit continues, as does a separate criminal investigation.
This thread is a good example of what has become glaringly obvious about the Democrat Party; They do not present ideas or plans, nor do they reveal their agenda. Rather, their campaigns and all wins come from personal attacks on their opponents. Were they to present their agenda for a popular vote, they would lose immediately.
Except, of course, for the votes of the Low Information, ever braying "American Citizens" who always worship Obama.
Faces or there might be one? There's a difference. Subjective.
Don't know, neither do you."Waldron is an evangelist who was enlisted by the Bachmann campaign to reach out to Christian conservatives — and he charged last week that Bachmann campaign officials withheld payments to staffers who refused to sign confidentiality agreements."
So which hypocritical evangelist is lying, Waldron or Bachmann?
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