- Joined
- Jun 11, 2017
- Messages
- 5,544
- Reaction score
- 1,061
- Location
- Arizona
- Gender
- Male
- Political Leaning
- Slightly Conservative
Think about it...can you personally KNOW someone, when you don't even know Him by name?
Can you share an example of a scientific explanation that does not presuppose something exists?
Yes, and physical things exist you'll find.
Yes, in terms of things that exist you'll find.
They do if its the beginning that's being explained.
They do if its their origin that's being explained.
So there MUST be a God!
That is one of the stupidest things I've ever read.
Of course you can know someone if you dont know their name. A name change doesnt change a person.
And God didnt even expect it in the Old Testament :doh "I Am that I Am."
And when I speak to the Lord, I dont use Jehovah, I use the titles of respect and homage. That doesnt mean I dont know the name.
I see you continue to bob and weave to divert from the actual topic but your comment was so dumb it illustrates how badly you're failing to uphold your beliefs on sins here.
So, who do you personally/intimately, without knowing their name? God's name appears some 700 times in the book of Psalms alone...a book of poetic writings that were to be sung and recited by God’s people, so yes, they did use His name...your Bible version chose to remove God's name, that's all...it used to appear 2 places in the KJV but I think even that has been removed now...Exodus 6:3; Psalm 83:18...
You're a Jehova's witness which is why you have an obsession with this.
So, who do you personally/intimately, without knowing their name? God's name appears some 700 times in the book of Psalms alone...a book of poetic writings that were to be sung and recited by God’s people, so yes, they did use His name...your Bible version chose to remove God's name, that's all...it used to appear 2 places in the KJV but I think even that has been removed now...Exodus 6:3; Psalm 83:18...
This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."
That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.
It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
Which Bible translations "removed" God's name?
None of your business and your diversion is done. I said I know His Name. Are you calling me a liar again?
Sinning more just to avoid the argument you cannot refute?
None of your business and your diversion is done. I said I know His Name. Are you calling me a liar again?
Sinning more just to avoid the argument you cannot refute?
Yes, I am...
This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."
That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.
It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
"May people know that you, whose name is Jehovah,
You alone are the Most High over all the earth." Psalm 83:18
The first [error] is the attempt to read the Y-H-V-H with the vowels that appear with it in the printed Tanach text. While the vowels are actually the vowels of the word Adon-oi, the Chataf Patach under the Alef of Adon-oi changes to a Shevah under the Yud of Y-H-V-H. The second mistake is that the English readers took the German transliteration of the mistaken reading –Jehovah- and pronounced the letter J as a J. In German the letter J is pronounced as a Y. Thus, the German really reads Yehovah. Nevertheless, whether you pronounce it as the Germans did or as the Americans do, the word Jehovah/Yehovah is total gibberish and has no sanctity whatsoever according to the halacha. Modern scholars introduced an equally erroneous pronunciation, again based on the German, of Yahweh. This word is also gibberish and has no meaning or legal standing. (The How & Why of Jewish Prayer p.531)
I'm sorry we must be looking at different Hebrew sources, the masoretic text has the tetragrammaton not "Jehovah" - Also I thought I pointed out to you already that "Jehovah" is a man made term composed by interjecting ADONAI and YHWH.
Even a cursory review of literature on this will reveal that "Jehovah" has no significance, consider:
Long long ago when I began my conversion I spent time examining many organizations (many of which deserve the title of "cults") and their key precepts, the things that made them stand apart from others.
The "Jehovah" obsession was one of those and so I was able to sideline the Watchtower very early on as a cult, a human organization that has legalistic baggage and nonsense as their hallmark, sadly a great many well meaning people are members.
So Hebrew scholars tell us that nobody has any recollection of how this was pronounced and in their analysis "Jehovah" has no credibility.
Why is the name missing from many Bible translations? The reasons vary. Some feel that Almighty God does not need a unique name to identify him. Others appear to have been influenced by the Jewish tradition of avoiding the use of the name, perhaps out of fear of desecrating it. Still others believe that since no one can be sure of the exact pronunciation of God’s name, it is better just to use a title, such as “Lord” or “God.” Such objections, however, lack merit for the following reasons:
Those who argue that Almighty God does not need a unique name ignore evidence that early copies of his Word, including those preserved from before the time of Christ, contain God’s personal name. As noted above, God directed that his name be included in his Word some 7,000 times. Obviously, he wants us to know and use his name.
Translators who remove the name out of deference to Jewish tradition fail to recognize a key fact. While some Jewish scribes refused to pronounce the name, they did not remove it from their copies of the Bible. Ancient scrolls found in Qumran, near the Dead Sea, contain the name in many places. Some Bible translators hint that the divine name appeared in the original text by substituting the title “LORD” in capital letters. But the question remains, Why have these translators felt free to substitute or remove God’s name from the Bible when they acknowledge that it is found in the Bible text thousands of times? Who do they believe gave them authority to make such a change? Only they can say.
Those who say that the divine name should not be used because it is not known exactly how to pronounce it will nevertheless freely use the name Jesus. However, Jesus’ first-century disciples said his name quite differently from the way most Christians do today. To Jewish Christians, the name Jesus was probably pronounced Ye·shuʹa‛. And the title “Christ” was Ma·shiʹach, or “Messiah.” Greek-speaking Christians called him I·e·sousʹ Khri·stosʹ, and Latin-speaking Christians Ieʹsus Chriʹstus. Under inspiration, the Greek translation of his name was recorded in the Bible, showing that first-century Christians followed the sensible course of using the form of the name common in their language. Similarly, the New World Bible Translation Committee feels that it is reasonable to use the form “Jehovah,” even though that rendering is not exactly the way the divine name would have been pronounced in ancient Hebrew.
I see, well the Masoretic text has יהוה
That's the Hebrew text in the most reliable sources, I asked which translations had removed this.
Except the trinitarians."May people know that you, whose name is Jehovah,
You alone are the Most High over all the earth." Psalm 83:18
So, how do you pronounce that in English?
God said:It's vitally important you speak my name correctly, pronouncing it exactly right out of respect; much depends on this, more than you can possibly imagine.
Person said:Yes, I see OK, of course I will do this, so how should I pronounce it?
God said:I'm not going to tell you.
Mat 15:7 said:You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
“ ‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
They worship me in vain;
their teachings are merely human rules.’”
Here's what Jehovah's witnesses never grasp:
lol...when you can prove that, get back to me...there is no group who strives to follow God's Word more closely...
So says every devoted member of every cult Elvira, be they Catholics, Armstrongers, Evangelicals, Mormons, Moonies, I've scrutinized most of them very closely over many decades.
Once you sign up to a cult (a human created and driven organization with human leaders and doctrinal dictators) you are in trouble, you must defend the indefensible and lie even to yourself.
I wonder what kind of rules people like you expect.. :thinkingHere's what Jehovah's witnesses never grasp:
I wonder what kind of rules people like you expect.. :thinking
'don't kill', is still alright as being from God because most of you weren't going to anyway, but as soon as it comes to, "don't have casual sexual intercourse while married and with a married woman, the line begins to blur.... After all, who's to say what one is to do in an immoral society? Everything is available — including your wife.
What humans don't always understand is that they want these rights. They don't want anyone to steal from them, they don't want anyone to hurt them, they don't want their children to disrespect them, they don't want anyone to sleep with their wife, they don't want anyone to impregnate their daughter and disappear, they don't want to be lied to, they don't want to be cheated, they don't want their lawyer to be bribed. But imagine everyone following rules! Is it really democracy if everything isn't allowed? Is it really freedom? Can the USA be both free and moral?
Most people want the freedom to infringe on other people's freedom and that's the truth...which is not moral or true freedom...
Your claim here is sheer and utter nonsense - unless you believe that a person who doesn't believe as you believe is infringing upon your freedom.
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?