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Evidence Suggests U.S. Intel Baited Russia in December by Telling China Ukraine Was Coming Into NATO

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Stunning Discovery – Evidence Suggests U.S. Intel Baited Russia in December by Telling China Ukraine Was Coming Into NATO
Yesterday, the New York Times reported on U.S. intelligence and diplomatic officials from the State Dept sharing intelligence with Chinese officials in the three months leading up to the Russian invasion. {Go Deep on Analysis} The narrative from the article tells the story of the U.S. trying to convince China in December, January and February to intervene and persuade Russia not to cross the border into Ukraine.

Many people have looked at this story from the perspective of incompetence, i.e. why would the Biden team think China would not share the intel, etc.

However, when it comes to these types of issues, never ascribe to incompetence that which can be explained by intent.

There’s every reason to believe what the Biden intelligence community and state department were sharing with China, was done with the intention of Beijing giving it to Moscow.

From that perspective, the question around intent becomes, what did they push and why did they push it?

Hmmm. interesting connection of dots.
 
Thanks to the OP for giving aid and comfort to our enemy!

Heh, your description says "Very liberal" -- never heard a McCarthyite described that way before.
 
This is the NYT headline, from the OP's link
U.S. Officials Repeatedly Urged China to Help Avert War in Ukraine
 
Russia attacked a neighboring sovereign nation without provocation.

Provocation was that he and his cronies seized power undemocratically, and proceeded to politically disenfranchise the one third of Ukraine's population that is Russian-speaking.

You claim to care about Ukrainians -- only two-thirds of Ukrainians, or all of them?
 
I think the folks who run this board do a great job. But anyone know of a board with both progressive and conservative viewpoints, but the conservatives are not bat shit crazy, conspiracy theorists? I'm asking for a friend.
 
Who cares? Nobody gets "baited" into war. That's a ****ing Bush-era excuse.

Ukraine, as a sovereign nation, has every right to pursue closer relations with the groups/alliances and other countries that it wants to get close with.

None of it would justify a Russian invasion. In fact it's this very exact invasion that is a ****ing ADVERTISEMENT for why Ukraine might have wanted to join NATO in the first place. It is Russia's Kanye-esque toxic-ex like behavior that is pushing Ukrainians to want to be closer with NATO.

The aggressive party in this entire situation is Russia, not Ukraine, not the United States and not NATO. It is RUSSIA.

Stop licking Putin's balls.

Also, even if what you're saying isn't bullshit, I thought Putin was a KGB-ass genius, he can't sift through his own intelligence and tell what's fake and what's not? And doesn't this turn Biden into a strategic genius given that Putin looks like a ****ing moron right now? Y'all drink so much of your own bullshit kool-aid you can't even get your twisted dumb narratives straight anymore.
 
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Provocation was that he and his cronies seized power undemocratically, and proceeded to politically disenfranchise the one third of Ukraine's population that is Russian-speaking.

You claim to care about Ukrainians -- only two-thirds of Ukrainians, or all of them?
Huh?
 
This is the NYT headline, from the OP's link
U.S. Officials Repeatedly Urged China to Help Avert War in Ukraine

Correct. In fact the article says, "sharing intelligence with Chinese officials in the three months leading up to the Russian invasion".

Further, the author brings up a good point:
"Many people have looked at this story from the perspective of incompetence, i.e. why would the Biden team think China would not share the intel, etc.

However, when it comes to these types of issues, never ascribe to incompetence that which can be explained by intent."

It's more plausible that the US was telegraphing their intent to add Ukraine to NATO, which has been a red-line for Russia for a decade, through China as opposed to genuinely asking China for help. Why would the US seek help from China? That doesn't make sense.

Also, If Ukraine was a shoe-in for NATO admission, why not treat them as an article 5 nation now?
 
Thanks to the OP for giving aid and comfort to our enemy!
The only difference to many of the other conservatives is that he's atleast not yet pretending to have never been on putins side from the start.

That said... solidarity to all the conservatives in here who stepped up and spoke out against putin from the beginning.
 
Russia attacked a neighboring sovereign nation without provocation.

Yes, that's true. However, this invasion is 20 years in the making, and there are underlying geopolitical reasons for Russia's actions.

Some of those reasons involve US and EU expansion of NATO on Putin's doorstep instead of having Ukraine as a buffer.

There's no way Russia will allow missiles on its border, just like the US or China would object. The Monroe Doctrine, for example.
 
Correct. In fact the article says, "sharing intelligence with Chinese officials in the three months leading up to the Russian invasion".

Further, the author brings up a good point:
"Many people have looked at this story from the perspective of incompetence, i.e. why would the Biden team think China would not share the intel, etc.

However, when it comes to these types of issues, never ascribe to incompetence that which can be explained by intent."

It's more plausible that the US was telegraphing their intent to add Ukraine to NATO, which has been a red-line for Russia for a decade, through China as opposed to genuinely asking China for help. Why would the US seek help from China? That doesn't make sense.

Also, If Ukraine was a shoe-in for NATO admission, why not treat them as an article 5 nation now?
You understand the difference between baited into vs urging to avert?
 
It's flat out amazing how many of those posters who pretend to be Americans in here that work so hard against our country.
 
not yet pretending to have never been on putins side from the start.

This is the kind of childishness that prevents nations from engaging in diplomacy.

It's arrogance and stupidity coupled with America exceptionalism.

Thank god people like yourself are not in charge of anything important.
 
You understand the difference between baited into vs urging to avert?

Do you understand China is a very real ally with Russia, and considers the US to be arrogant imperialists?

It makes no sense to appeal to China. China just swept Hong Kong and is preparing a takeover of Taiwan under the One China policy. Do you believe the intelligence community is stupid or reckless? Everything they say or do has a dozen purposes far more important than the benign reason they claim on its face.
 
I think the folks who run this board do a great job. But anyone know of a board with both progressive and conservative viewpoints, but the conservatives are not bat shit crazy, conspiracy theorists? I'm asking for a friend.
I am a fiscal conservative. Have been most of my 55 years. Used to be a social con, but shedding evangelical Christianity remedied that affliction.

"Conservatives" in 2016+ don't have any true ideology beyond supporting their cult leader, ex-Democrat grifter Donald Trump. He figured out how to fool rubes and now he is the new "conservative" leader. They have no real ideology beyond white grievance and opposition to anything that is not Trump.
 
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