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First, obviously you still avoid explaining your criteria for inclusion, regardless of your desire for dealing with "advanced economies". Canada has one of the highest GDP's per capita's (tax haven's and oil states excluded) in the world, but nothing like the size of China or the US economy. On the other hand, China's and Russia's per capita GDP mean or median does not come close to the others. If your list is based on size, then India and Brazil should be on the list, with China and Russia, not Canada. If its based on resources per person, then there are scores of European countries and several in Asia aside from Japan that are far richer than China or Russia.
Ergo, your apples and oranges list has zero "economically advanced" coherency - until you state a formal criteria for inclusion by GDP or GDP per person then its more than my opinion its crap, its a necessary conclusion.
Second, the ability to fight Covid isn't an issue; there is likely no large difference in ability to "fight" an infection that doesn't have a cure and whose major "treatment" is wearing a cloth over one's face or having a nurse tend to one's usual needs (oxygen, meals, etc.). More importantly, GDP is not so much as a variable for better resources because studies show the opposite - it's an associated variable that correlates with the disease; the higher a countries GDP the higher the case rate.
As I stated: your "list" could also have noted (were your sampling less arbitrary) that the US and France rank 10th/11th among deaths per million (Worldometer chart attached), far lower that the UK, Italy, Spain, etc. You could have also noted that the US ranks much lower in fatalities per case than most in western Europe, including Germany. In fact the US fatality rate per case is about 1/5th of that of other leading nations (see Attachment, World In Data).
I have no idea what you think your homebrew "corrections" by GDP even mean. My suggestion is that you stick to the variables widely examined and understood in the literature, not some pull it from your arse "finding".
And recovered is meaningless without knowing how a case is defined, who is tracked as a case, and how late the system is in providing resolved cases. As I demonstrated, a rate of 50 or 60 percent of "recovered" is epidemiological meaningless (e.g. the number for France).
Among the questions needing answered for EACH subject country and its method of counting:
- Are "cases" all positive tests, even for the same individual?
- Do "cases" mean anyone, with or without a doctor's supervision having a positive result on a test?
- Do "cases" include asymptomatic individuals?
- Do "cases" include symptomatic but untreated individuals?
- Do "cases" include those who see a doctor, have a positive test, and require no further treatment?
- Are "cases" defined as just "clinical cases", meaning those hospitalized and then discharged".
Without knowing whose counted, who is actually tracked, and who gets reported as "discharged" or "recovered" (a term used interchangeably but having different meanings) for each country under comparison, your spitting in the wind.
And the chances of an American picked at random having COVID, and therefore possibly dying has largely (but not always) about twice that of a Canadian. In fact, that has been true since March 15th when the infection exploded in the US NE but not so much in Canada. Within 10 days that gap opened up to 4 to 1 in infection rate...and rocketed away.
I have no idea what you think that means, other than from the outset the NE was plastered.
That is what I wrote, Sweden is lowering it's curve while the US has not yet, in fact the death rate is going up again. We do not know how much higher the death rate may get, but I hope it does not go any higher and instead goes down.
Sweden got it mostly right (save for old folks homes):
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It will settle down here after Labor Day and kids are in school. People will stop traveling around so much. People are idiots about it. I know a woman who is retiring because she is afraid of COVID and the first thing she is going to do in retirement is go to Myrtle Effing Beach which is coronavirus central :doh If people had just skipped vacations this summer, we would be in a much better posture.
Well sadly people are idiots, and I am not sure kids being crammed into schools with no precautions is a wise thing to do. Kids will still spread the virus and catch it.
I don't support reopening schools in areas where the numbers are still growing, but it is happening. It should, however, contain the virus when people stop interacting with people from hotspots while at the beach or wherever. We should see a drop off, then a true second wave when cold and flu season get underway and then it will be business as we can until we have herd immunity or a more effective drug cocktail to nip it in the bud.
But the odds of outside infections is a lot lower. So the beach if you do not pack it to the hilt, well then it is not too terrible. But inside schools there is little chance of social distancing (if not done smartly). Especially vulnerable students and teachers are a huge problem.
Myrtle Beach and the state of Florida seem to disprove the odds of outside infections being lower.
No, it is absolutely proven that the risks outside are lower, but you kinda seemed to ignore my comment of the beaches not being full to capacity/packed to the hilt. If you cram too many people in a very small area, even outside, it negates the benefits of being outside.
No you ignore the reality that people don't sit on a beach in some postcard vacuum. They check into hotels. They eat meals. They cram into the same parking lots. They drink at the same bars. They go to the same shops. They use the same bathrooms. Etc Etc Etc.
No you ignore the reality that people don't sit on a beach in some postcard vacuum. They check into hotels. They eat meals. They cram into the same parking lots. They drink at the same bars. They go to the same shops. They use the same bathrooms. Etc Etc Etc.
You only think about tourists, you do know that loads of locals also visit the beach? The whole reason why most of the rest of the world refuses US tourists is because they do not want them to be in hotels/bars/beaches/trains/planes/taxis/buses/etc. etc. etc. etc.
Nobody in the world wants to do this but needs must.
And still US travelers think they are above travel bans. In the Netherlands the US customs police (in our case the Military police or as we call it marchaussee) have sent back hundreds of American tourists who had flown to the Netherlands (Schiphol airport) who had the idea our border control would just let them in, they actually said as to the reason why they should be allowed in "Because we are Americans", well that did not fly with our border control and they were sent back to the US.
And slowly the herd immunity develops....just as it always has.
You only think about tourists, you do know that loads of locals also visit the beach? The whole reason why most of the rest of the world refuses US tourists is because they do not want them to be in hotels/bars/beaches/trains/planes/taxis/buses/etc. etc. etc. etc.
Nobody in the world wants to do this but needs must.
And still US travelers think they are above travel bans. In the Netherlands the US customs police (in our case the Military police or as we call it marchaussee) have sent back hundreds of American tourists who had flown to the Netherlands (Schiphol airport) who had the idea our border control would just let them in, they actually said as to the reason why they should be allowed in "Because we are Americans", well that did not fly with our border control and they were sent back to the US.
Actually, you made a claim without providing your source. You then cited a pseudoscience and conspiracy theory site as your source. It took multiple requests to get to a legitimate source on the quote -- which didn't quite say what you and your conspiracy buddies were claiming.1) I make a claim, back it with a citation.
lolNo one, other than you, said "social distancing does not work at all" - its an intentional straw man...
lol... What a bunch of BS.So cease all the babble and tripe over the report. The question is not whether or not the government efforts, taking effect when the virus threat was effectively over helped push down transmission further and I have no interest in turning this into a squabble over what a May 5 report said or didn't say regarding model assumptions....
lolThat's all we need to know about Norway (oh, that and they don't support the use of masks, and they don't believe their measures were all that different from Swedens).
What you have to remember is that a substantial percentage of the American population think that the American constitution and American law are operative in every country in the world (and whatever "Those Foreigners" say the law and "constitutional rights" are has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Americans).
Sure because those beaches are lined with hotels for locals :roll:
Without out covid19 any American here is welcome. I live close to a US and a NATO base. People necessary for those installations should be allowed to enter if they self quarantine if need be. But tourists need to go back home, we don't need to spread covid from the US after we did the hard work to lower the curve.
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