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Europe doesn't share Germany's economic rebound

Canada is poised to lead the G20 in economic growth once again with Germany not far behind. The two countries have strong, conservative, fiscally responsible governments that have no problem convincing their populace to tighten their belts when the times require it. These concepts are foreign to much of Europe and it's why they are still struggling under massive debt and deficits that cripple any hopes of spurring their economies.
 
The point that people are trying to make is that the Germans manipulated the Euro and the EU so they could directly benefit from it first.

Then the others countries shouldn't have signed on to it. Losers are always making excuses for themselves and blaming the winners for cheating somehow. Americans know all about that.
 
Then the others countries shouldn't have signed on to it. Losers are always making excuses for themselves and blaming the winners for cheating somehow. Americans know all about that.

unless they actually cheated which is not unheard of in the financial world.
 
Canada is poised to lead the G20 in economic growth once again with Germany not far behind. The two countries have strong, conservative, fiscally responsible governments that have no problem convincing their populace to tighten their belts when the times require it. These concepts are foreign to much of Europe and it's why they are still struggling under massive debt and deficits that cripple any hopes of spurring their economies.

OECD: Canada to lead G7 in economic growth over next 50 years | Financial Post

Optimistic and good news IF it stays conservative.
 
unless they actually cheated which is not unheard of in the financial world.

Is it clear how they cheated? Is there evidence to demonstrate that this is true and, if so, can anything be done about it?
 
By cheating, do you mean currency manipulation?
 
Canada is poised to lead the G20 in economic growth once again with Germany not far behind. The two countries have strong, conservative, fiscally responsible governments that have no problem convincing their populace to tighten their belts when the times require it. These concepts are foreign to much of Europe and it's why they are still struggling under massive debt and deficits that cripple any hopes of spurring their economies.

The minimum wage in Canada varies by Province, but on average it's over $10/hr and they have universal health care.

Germany doesn't have a minimum wage. The only thing I could find is that a cashier must make a minimum of $7 use....however, labor is well represented in Germany...a representative from labor has a seat at the board of directors of major corporations, Unions are accepted and respected, and they ALSO have Universal Health Care.

EDIT: the point I am trying to make is that what you call "Conservative" is very much considered."left wing Socialism" here in the US.
 
The minimum wage in Canada varies by Province, but on average it's over $10/hr and they have universal health care.

Germany doesn't have a minimum wage. The only thing I could find is that a cashier must make a minimum of $7 use....however, labor is well represented in Germany...a representative from labor has a seat at the board of directors of major corporations, Unions are accepted and respected, and they ALSO have Universal Health Care.

You have to take into account that the cost of living in Canada is higher than in the US due in large part to the cost of food, often out of season and must be imported. As well, housing costs are higher - all homes requiring furnances and most requiring air conditioning as well. Most homes are brick construction, higher cost than in the US. Transportation costs are also significantly higher with our smaller population and larger country. These are some of the things that make higher wages a fact of life in Canada.

Health care is another story and too long to get into here - we do have universal health care, but it's not what most Americans think it is and it's not what most Europeans have. It covers the basics and catastrophic care, but so much of a person's normal healthcare needs are not covered and are either paid for out of pocket or paid for with supplemental health insurance either purchased individually or through employment.
 
You have to take into account that the cost of living in Canada is higher than in the US due in large part to the cost of food, often out of season and must be imported. As well, housing costs are higher - all homes requiring furnances and most requiring air conditioning as well. Most homes are brick construction, higher cost than in the US. Transportation costs are also significantly higher with our smaller population and larger country. These are some of the things that make higher wages a fact of life in Canada.

Health care is another story and too long to get into here - we do have universal health care, but it's not what most Americans think it is and it's not what most Europeans have. It covers the basics and catastrophic care, but so much of a person's normal healthcare needs are not covered and are either paid for out of pocket or paid for with supplemental health insurance either purchased individually or through employment.

Tell that to a low skilled worker living in NYC who has to take housing subsidies, food stamps and an Medicaid card just so they can be broke.
 
Tell that to a low skilled worker living in NYC who has to take housing subsidies, food stamps and an Medicaid card just so they can be broke.

That'll happen if they keep electing liberals.
 
The problem was politeness: when Greece wanted to join the Eurozone they were supposed to meet certain criteria, and they cooked the books a little to make it. The nice folks in Northern Europe were too polite to challenge them on it, and just let them in. So everyone is partly at fault.
 
The problem with the EU is that member nations are autonomous. There is no centralized government to speak of. If they didn't share currency, this wouldn't be a big deal.....but they do.

That's basically it in a nutshell. If you don't have any say in your currencies flexibility your currency will steamroll you.
 
That's basically it in a nutshell. If you don't have any say in your currencies flexibility your currency will steamroll you.

The EU would have had some power except France was too proud to give up any sovereignty.
 
That's basically it in a nutshell. If you don't have any say in your currencies flexibility your currency will steamroll you.

It's sort of like how the tea party wants the US to be run. States doing anything they want, and no central authority. It doesn't really work well, as the Eurozone has discovered. Not if you have a single currency.
 
It's sort of like how the tea party wants the US to be run. States doing anything they want, and no central authority. It doesn't really work well, as the Eurozone has discovered. Not if you have a single currency.

Imagine all those Red States in the South without their Federal subsidies.
 
The EU would have had some power except France was too proud to give up any sovereignty.

As i recall, wasn't there some sort of an agreement between France and Germany at one time that they would share the power of the EU somehow?
 
The big problem is that the Globalists will be able to do a lot more damage and hurt a lot more people before they are forcibly convinced to abandon their self serving fantasies of an elitist Nirvana.
 
As i recall, wasn't there some sort of an agreement between France and Germany at one time that they would share the power of the EU somehow?

France wanted to retain it's self-rule. Germany wanted to prevent hyperinflation like they experienced after WWI. They came to some sort of understanding.
 
Tell that to a low skilled worker living in NYC who has to take housing subsidies, food stamps and an Medicaid card just so they can be broke.

A person has a choice when they live in a city like NYC - if you're low skilled, you either stay in school or go to school and upgrade your skills or you take your skills, such as they are, to another city or another state where those skills will be paid more conducive with the cost of living in the community. There are lots of jobs in the mid-west, lots of oil industry jobs, etc. If one is waiting for a minimum wage of $50/hr so they can live in NYC they're going to be waiting a long time.

Bringing this back to Germany and Europe, I'd say the people there are quite good at picking up their lives and families and moving to places where they can build a better life for their families - we have lots of ex-German nationals in Canada as well as lots of other Europeans, particularly now we have lots of Eastern Europeans. If you're responsible for your own life and the safety and security of your family, you go where you can succeed.
 
A person has a choice when they live in a city like NYC - if you're low skilled, you either stay in school or go to school and upgrade your skills or you take your skills, such as they are, to another city or another state where those skills will be paid more conducive with the cost of living in the community. There are lots of jobs in the mid-west, lots of oil industry jobs, etc. If one is waiting for a minimum wage of $50/hr so they can live in NYC they're going to be waiting a long time.

Bringing this back to Germany and Europe, I'd say the people there are quite good at picking up their lives and families and moving to places where they can build a better life for their families - we have lots of ex-German nationals in Canada as well as lots of other Europeans, particularly now we have lots of Eastern Europeans. If you're responsible for your own life and the safety and security of your family, you go where you can succeed.

They do? If you're flat broke, how do you move? Most of them are stuck where they are. Unless some gracious company is going to pay them to relocate. But figure the odds on that as a low skill worker.

I love the "simple solutions" to complex problems that pretty much show that you guys don't look beyond your own noses.
 
They do? If you're flat broke, how do you move? Most of them are stuck where they are. Unless some gracious company is going to pay them to relocate. But figure the odds on that as a low skill worker.

I love the "simple solutions" to complex problems that pretty much show that you guys don't look beyond your own noses.

I love the "none solutions" to simple problems where in the richest, most prosperous, land of plenty people are stuck living in NYC and need the government to survive. They're paralized without hope or options, right? Funny though that a person living a subsistance existence in some hell hole in the third world is able to pack their meager belongings, with a few bucks in their pockets, with no English or very little, and travel all the way to the US or Canada and make a life for themselves and their families. I see it every day here in Toronto. I also see those who'd rather bitch and moan about life being unfair and just sit on their asses and not try to better themselves and their lives. Perhaps the biggest "complex problem" in western, first world economies today is the expectation of entitlement to a good, rich life without any need to work for it.
 
I love the "none solutions" to simple problems where in the richest, most prosperous, land of plenty people are stuck living in NYC and need the government to survive. They're paralized without hope or options, right? Funny though that a person living a subsistance existence in some hell hole in the third world is able to pack their meager belongings, with a few bucks in their pockets, with no English or very little, and travel all the way to the US or Canada and make a life for themselves and their families. I see it every day here in Toronto. I also see those who'd rather bitch and moan about life being unfair and just sit on their asses and not try to better themselves and their lives. Perhaps the biggest "complex problem" in western, first world economies today is the expectation of entitlement to a good, rich life without any need to work for it.

You have a point. But there are a hell of a lot more poor citizens than there are immigrants from 3rd world hell holes. You see, we get to screen those people from third world hell holes and make sure they will be a good fit. We don't have that option for our own citizens.
 
You have a point. But there are a hell of a lot more poor citizens than there are immigrants from 3rd world hell holes. You see, we get to screen those people from third world hell holes and make sure they will be a good fit. We don't have that option for our own citizens.

It's very true we don't have options with our citizens born in our country. And we do have choices on whom we let in. But I assume America is much like Canada in that we take in far more "refugees" than we do rich immigrants buying their way, through investments, into the country. Many coming across your southern border are in America not by America's choice and most of those are extremely poor with only their hands and their strong backs as assets in their new environment.

I'd love to see every born here citizen of both our countries take advantage of the excellent educational opportunities afforded them regardless of where that education may lead them. No able bodied person of sound mind born in Canada or America needs to be "low skilled" and it's an embarrassment to them that are and an embarrassment to us as nations that they are when so many other people in the world literally will die trying to gain that same opportunity.
 
we do have universal health care, but it's not what most Americans think it is and it's not what most Europeans have. It covers the basics and catastrophic care, but so much of a person's normal healthcare needs are not covered and are either paid for out of pocket or paid for with supplemental health insurance either purchased individually or through employment.
Sounds rational. What does Canadian politics look like compared to the U.S.? It's not uncommon to envision a reasonable government solution, it's just that neither of our incredible diverse TWO parties are so tragically absurd it rarely ever plays out reasonably.
 
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