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EU bans funding groups in Jewish settlements [W:14]

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The EU has said it will will bar financial assistance to Israeli groups operating in the occupied territories, underlining its concern that Israeli settlement-building harms prospects for peace with the Palestinians.
Guidelines revealed on Tuesday make clear that, from next year, Israeli "entities" operating in the territories will not be eligible for EU grants, prizes or loans.


The measure will apply to Israeli companies, universities or other bodies operating in areas occupied by Israel since the

1967 war, including the Golan Heights, the West Bank and East Jerusalem.


"The EU has made it clear that it will not recognise any changes to pre-1967 borders, other than those agreed by the
parties to the Middle East peace process," a copy of the guidelines seen by the Reuters news agency said.


Read more @: EU bans funding groups in Jewish settlements - Middle East - Al Jazeera English

EU is baning groups working within the occupied territories from getting EU grants, and loans, and various other prizes. :applaud
 

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This decision will have only a negligible adverse impact on target firms. It will, however, complicate EU efforts to act as a sincere mediator, as the EU body is effectively prejudging an outcome that should properly be determined in negotiations as expressed in UNSC Res. 242.
 

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How is it possible to prove the highlighted part -
"The guidelines say that all Israeli groups applying for financial assistance, scholarships and funding must prove they do not operate in the occupied territories."?!?

Moreover, If a company/institution has an employee/student that lives in Mevo Dotan for instance - is it considered as operating in the occupied territories?!?
Aren't Israeli left activist groups that operate in the WB supposed to fall under these new guidelines too?!?

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How is it possible to prove the highlighted part -
"The guidelines say that all Israeli groups applying for financial assistance, scholarships and funding must prove they do not operate in the occupied territories.

"?!?
"The measure will apply to Israeli companies, universities or other bodies operating in areas occupied by Israel since the 1967 war, including the Golan Heights, the West Bank and East Jerusalem."

Aren't Israeli left activist groups that operate in the WB supposed to fall under these new guidelines too?!?

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Yes... Point being?
 

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[/COLOR]"?!?
"The measure will apply to Israeli companies, universities or other bodies operating in areas occupied by Israel since the 1967 war, including the Golan Heights, the West Bank and East Jerusalem."
And how it answers my question...the question is; How any organisation proves that it does not operate in the occupied territories?

Yes... Point being?
I dunno...maybe the point that these organisations are supposedly helping the Palestinian people?

Btw you missed one of the questions.

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And how it answers my question...the question is; How any organisation proves that it does not operate in the occupied territories?
If you operate in land which has been occupied by Israel since 1967.. I dont know how much more clear cut it has to be made.


See all the green in 1967 if they operate in any of that land..

I dunno...maybe the point that these organisations are supposedly helping the Palestinian people?
Ok.
I think the whole point is being sovereignty.

Btw you missed one of the questions.

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I dont know the exact specifics so i could not answer it.
 

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If you operate in land which has been occupied by Israel since 1967.. I dont know how much more clear cut it has to be made.


See all the green in 1967 if they operate in any of that land..
The question is how a company/organisation proves that it does not operate in the occupied territories, not that it does.
It is far from being clear, that is why i'm asking.

Ok.
I think the whole point is being sovereignty.
So yes, any Israeli lefty organisation that operates in the WB should not receive any more funding?


I dont know the exact specifics so i could not answer it.
It's related to my first question as Mevo Dotan is behind the green line - so i'm intersted to know if an organisation that has an employee or a student in it, that lives there would fall under these "guidelines".

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The question is how a company/organisation proves that it does not operate in the occupied territories, not that it does.
It is far from being clear, that is why i'm asking.
I mean where its located? Services etc would be my guess.



So yes, any Israeli lefty organisation that operates in the WB should not receive any more funding?
Yes.



It's related to my first question as Mevo Dotan is behind the green line - so i'm intersted to know if an organisation that has an employee or a student in it, that lives there would fall under these "guidelines".

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I dont know the specifics. But i agree with the general outline of the plan.
 

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I mean where its located? Services etc would be my guess.
Again, it doesn't answer a thing...these organisations would need to prove that they do not operate in the occupied territories by showing/providing what exactly?


I think a lot of, Europeans, Israelis and Palestinians wouldn't like that, especially those people who work in organisations that acted for decades in support of the Palestinians, and their cause.. lol.


I dont know the specifics. But i agree with the general outline of the plan.
You see that's the problem - you (neither do I) know the specifics, but you choose to automatically condone it as a good step towards whatever...while I actually started asking questions that relatively quickly showed the idiocy of this "plan" - at least from the pov that was described in the given article.

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Again, it doesn't answer a thing...these organisations would need to prove that they do not operate in the occupied territories by showing/providing what exactly?
Address, where they operate. Its pretty easy to find where a organization operates..

I think a lot of, Europeans, Israelis and Palestinians wouldn't like that, especially those people who work in organisations that acted for decades in support of the Palestinians, and their cause.. lol.
Ok.





You see that's the problem - you (neither do I) know the specifics, but you choose to automatically condone it as a good step towards whatever...while I actually started asking questions that relatively quickly showed the idiocy of this "plan" - at least from the pov that was described in the given article.

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I dont see the "idiocy" of the plan..
 

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Address, where they operate. Its pretty easy to find where a organization operates..
Nope, apparently all they need to do is sign some paper that apparently states;
"Under the guidelines, which come into effect on Friday, Israeli projects applying for EU funding will be required to sign a clause to state that it will not apply to the occupied territories."
BBC News - Israel condemns EU exclusion rules over settlements

I don't know what they mean by "apply to the occupied territories"...so the question pretty much remains the same, how an organisation proves that it isn't operating in the WB, and what is operating/not operating means?!?


Ok.
I dont see the "idiocy" of the plan..
Just showed you, having multiple ill defined terms and "guidelines", leftist organisations that actually act in the benefit of the Palestinians and their cause would apparently fall under these guidelines = idiocy.

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EU bans funding for projects in settlements, sparking Israeli anger

A European Union decision to ban funding for projects in Israeli settlements has met with mixed reactions from the region. While the Palestinians welcomed the decision, Israel reacted with anger.
EU bans funding for projects in settlements, sparking Israeli anger | News | DW.DE | 16.07.2013

The new EU guidelines, which were adopted by the European Commission late last month and are expected to be published this week, are to apply to areas Israel captured in the 1967 War, including the West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights.
Israel defiant
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu slammed the new funding guidelines, effectively accusing the 28-member EU of trying to meddle in his country's diplomatic affairs.

"We shall not accept any external dictates on our borders," the prime minister told an emergency meeting of his cabinet on Tuesday. "That is an issue that will be decided only in direct negotiations between the sides," he added, referring to the stalled peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians.
Palestinians pleased
The Palestinians, who say they will not return to the table until Israel freezes all settlement activity, welcomed the news.
"This is the beginning of new era," senior Palestinian official Hanan Ashrawi said. "Israel should listen carefully and should understand that this occupation cannot continue without any kind of accountability."
These are just snips of the story, check the link for it all.
Oh boy. Well, it's not like Israel cares or anything. South Africa adopted a rather good policy some time ago making all goods coming from the occupied areas labelled as such instead of just being labelled from Israel. I see no reason why that wouldn't be a better policy than this diplomatic bargain bin policy that the EU drafted up. I mean what will this accomplish? The Americans have been trying to sort out things in that region for over 50years, no success what so ever. The EU wants to get in on the actions? What will that accomplish? Maybe China can come too and we can have a threesome.
 

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Re: EU bans funding for projects in settlements, sparking Israeli anger

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There is already a thread relating to this subject in the ME Forum. As this issue is specific to the I/P situation i am merging this thread there.
 

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How is it possible to prove the highlighted part -
"The guidelines say that all Israeli groups applying for financial assistance, scholarships and funding must prove they do not operate in the occupied territories."?!?

Moreover, If a company/institution has an employee/student that lives in Mevo Dotan for instance - is it considered as operating in the occupied territories?!?
Aren't Israeli left activist groups that operate in the WB supposed to fall under these new guidelines too?!?

Fallen.
interesting points
 

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Nope, apparently all they need to do is sign some paper that apparently states;
"Under the guidelines, which come into effect on Friday, Israeli projects applying for EU funding will be required to sign a clause to state that it will not apply to the occupied territories."
BBC News - Israel condemns EU exclusion rules over settlements

I don't know what they mean by "apply to the occupied territories"...so the question pretty much remains the same, how an organisation proves that it isn't operating in the WB, and what is operating/not operating means?!?
Yeah, that was my first thought as well
 

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This decision seems to be only a statement without any real meaning. The EU will not fund (fund, as in donate money to, not boycott trade with) any Israeli organization which operates in the west bank, east jerusalem and golan heights. Which Israeli organizations are actually being funded by the EU and fall under this category? The only ones I know are Israeli human rights groups like Peace Now and Betselem...
 

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If you operate in land which has been occupied by Israel since 1967.. I dont know how much more clear cut it has to be made.


See all the green in 1967 if they operate in any of that land..


Ok.
I think the whole point is being sovereignty.


I dont know the exact specifics so i could not answer it.
I'm generally sympathetic to your position on this issue, but I find that map to be very irritating. It is one of the most disingenuous pieces of propaganda tossed about on the internet and at rallies.
 

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How in heck did the Israelis get into these disputed territories? I thought they belonged to Egypt, Jordan and Syria. and who works in these disputed territories? Don't tell me they employ Arabs!
Another thing, if the EU considers Arabs rights then why don't they also consider and label Hezbollah Arabs as Terrorists?
Maybe they have a bias? I think I red where onetime the Europe countries were murdering Jews and hated them like dogs. Is it still like that in Europe?
Didn't some Hitler guy also like the Arabs. Damn it gets complicated.

Personally if the UN and EU can't be unbiased I say screw 'em.
 

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How in heck did the Israelis get into these disputed territories? I thought they belonged to Egypt, Jordan and Syria.
The Israelis are there because they conquered the territories from Egypt, Jordan and Syria (note that Israel isn't actually in the Gaza strip, and it doesn't administer the West Bank). Jordan and Egypt relinquished their rights to the WB and the Gaza strip (respectively) and they became Israel's problem. As for the Golan heights, Israel is holding on to it pending negotiations with the Syrians.

and who works in these disputed territories? Don't tell me they employ Arabs!
If by "they" you mean "Israelis", than seeing as they don't actually rule the WB and Gaza, they have no say in who is employed there.

Maybe they have a bias? I think I red where onetime the Europe countries were murdering Jews and hated them like dogs. Is it still like that in Europe?
?!?

Didn't some Hitler guy also like the Arabs. Damn it gets complicated.
Nope, Hitler considered Arabs to be inferior to Aryans. He tried to cooperate with them while he was looking for allies in WW2, to no great effect.

Personally if the UN and EU can't be unbiased I say screw 'em.
At last, something we can agree to.
 
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