Eric Holders speech to the NAACP -- (1 Viewer)

[MaggieD]

"Trayvon's death caused me to have a conversation with my own son..."

I think his speech was admirable. He said his father had a conversation with him on how to act if he was stopped by the police...he never thought he'd have to have that conversation with his own son. I can appreciate that.

It also crosses my mind, however, that every father may need to have that conversation with their son. *shrug*

He also mentioned that, in his life, he'd been stopped twice by the cops -- once as a teenager and once as a Federal prosecutor! Both times his car was searched.

Tommy Boy's car was searched by cops last year, too. He's not black.)

He's against SYG grounds outside the home.

*shrug* Let a jury decide. Oh, wait! They did! Oh, wait! And, of course, Zimmerman's trial had absolutely NOTHING to do with SYG laws.

All in all, he's suggesting real, honest and difficult dialogue on how to counter the stereotypes that exist in our country re race.

I can certainly support that.

Very little (seconds) time was spent about the DOJ investigation. I hope that's a good sign.

(Fox didn't broadcast the whole speech . . . but I'm thinking it captured the most important points.)

Anyone hear anything more?

 

[MaggieD]

Also heard a black attorney after the speech say that if Florida didn't have a SYG law, Zimmerman would have had to retreat. What an ignoramus. Keep idiots like this off the air. Cross her off your list!!

 

[CanadaJohn]

On the Monday after the verdict, Holder speaks to an all black women's sorority and gives the impression that he disagrees with the verdict and the laws of the state of Florida.

On the Tuesday after the verdict, Holder speaks to an all black audience at the NCAAP convention and gives the impression that he disagrees with the verdict and the laws of the state of Florida.

Nothing like the leader of the Department of Justice, the highest legal office in the land, using his pulpit to foment racial discord on behalf of this administration.

 

[Fisher]

Also heard a black attorney after the speech say that if Florida didn't have a SYG law, Zimmerman would have had to retreat. What an ignoramus. Keep idiots like this off the air. Cross her off your list!!

I live in a no retreat state and to be honest, my reading of the stand your ground law Florida has is more broad than I would want it to be. Juries here tend not to be too fixated on the no retreat part though and it becomes more of a subjective totality of the circumstances test in practice. I read Florida's law as being I could be walking down the street from a park carrying a baseball bat and someone could blow me away and get off, and even more likely so if I were black.

 

[polgara]

On the Monday after the verdict, Holder speaks to an all black women's sorority and gives the impression that he disagrees with the verdict and the laws of the state of Florida.

On the Tuesday after the verdict, Holder speaks to an all black audience at the NCAAP convention and gives the impression that he disagrees with the verdict and the laws of the state of Florida.

Nothing like the leader of the Department of Justice, the highest legal office in the land, using his pulpit to foment racial discord on behalf of this administration.

Good afternoon, CJ! :2wave:

This is outrageous! Zimmerman was judged by a jury of his peers, in accordance with the law, and they found him not guilty! Holder may have his own opinion, but to make a mockery of the process because he doesn't agree is certainly making him look petty and childish! And he represents this country as the Attorney General? :thumbdown:

 

[CanadaJohn]

Good afternoon, CJ! :2wave:

This is outrageous! Zimmerman was judged by a jury of his peers, in accordance with the law, and they found him not guilty! Holder may have his own opinion, but to make a mockery of the process because he doesn't agree is certainly making him look petty and childish! And he represents this country as the Attorney General? :thumbdown:

Good evening Lady P - are you back home now, enjoying the humidity?

 

[AlabamaPaul]

I live in a no retreat state and to be honest, my reading of the stand your ground law Florida has is more broad than I would want it to be. Juries here tend not to be too fixated on the no retreat part though and it becomes more of a subjective totality of the circumstances test in practice. I read Florida's law as being I could be walking down the street from a park carrying a baseball bat and someone could blow me away and get off, and even more likely so if I were black.

Florida SYG laws were not used in this case...

 

[nota bene]

On the Monday after the verdict, Holder speaks to an all black women's sorority and gives the impression that he disagrees with the verdict and the laws of the state of Florida.

On the Tuesday after the verdict, Holder speaks to an all black audience at the NCAAP convention and gives the impression that he disagrees with the verdict and the laws of the state of Florida.

Nothing like the leader of the Department of Justice, the highest legal office in the land, using his pulpit to foment racial discord on behalf of this administration.

It's not as if Holder hasn't cherry-picked before.

 

[Verax]

On the Monday after the verdict, Holder speaks to an all black women's sorority and gives the impression that he disagrees with the verdict and the laws of the state of Florida.

On the Tuesday after the verdict, Holder speaks to an all black audience at the NCAAP convention and gives the impression that he disagrees with the verdict and the laws of the state of Florida.

Nothing like the leader of the Department of Justice, the highest legal office in the land, using his pulpit to foment racial discord on behalf of this administration.

So because he disagrees with the laws that means he is "fomenting racial discord"? Is he not allowed an opinion?

 

[polgara]

Good evening Lady P - are you back home now, enjoying the humidity?

CJ, I can't seem to escape the heat and humidity...had it big-time in Texas, and came home today for more of the same!

 

[CanadaJohn]

So because he disagrees with the laws that means he is "fomenting racial discord"? Is he not allowed an opinion?

He can hold a press conference, in the DOJ offices, if he chooses. To go specifically to two 100% black institutions within days of a controversial verdict and speak against both Florida law and the outcome of the trial is, in my view, very bad judgement on behalf of the top law official in the country, the whole country by the way, not just the 15% or so who happen to be African American.

Holder's speeches the past two days are as biased and inappropriate in this matter as President Obama's comment that if he'd had a son, he would look like Trayvon.

If you don't see it, I can't help you.

 

[CanadaJohn]

CJ, I can't seem to escape the heat and humidity...had it big-time in Texas, and came home today for more of the same!

Supposed to last until the weekend, then dryer, cooler air is on the way.

Glad to hear you're home - now I'll stop before we get yelled at!!

 

[Verax]

He can hold a press conference, in the DOJ offices, if he chooses. To go specifically to two 100% black institutions within days of a controversial verdict and speak against both Florida law and the outcome of the trial is, in my view, very bad judgement on behalf of the top law official in the country, the whole country by the way, not just the 15% or so who happen to be African American.

Holder's speeches the past two days are as biased and inappropriate in this matter as President Obama's comment that if he'd had a son, he would look like Trayvon.

If you don't see it, I can't help you.

Your perspective is really different than mine so I'm having trouble understanding what kind of thought process is going on here.

First off you have some kind of aversion to him attending "100% black institutions" as though this is offensive? I don't understand.

Second you don't think he should be allowed to have an opinion on a controversial verdict? Again I just find this bizarre. He isn't allowed an opinion because he is an official?

Third his speeches are "biased"? Again you don't think he should be allowed an opinion? Should you be allowed an opinion? Isn't everything you say "biased"? When I use the word bias / biased... to me it is when a person is ignoring the truth or reality because they want to believe something else. Generally you use the word bias when somebody is being unreasonable. How is it unreasonable for him to state what he thinks?

 

[Fisher]

Florida SYG laws were not used in this case...

The juror who gave the Anderson Copper interview specifically referenced it when she was talking about Zimmerman. As soon as I saw her say that, I knew the left would have a poot storm about it and look, Rev. Al, Eric Holders and others are ranting about SYG today.

 

[CanadaJohn]

Your perspective is really different than mine so I'm having trouble understanding what kind of thought process is going on here.

First off you have some kind of aversion to him attending "100% black institutions" as though this is offensive? I don't understand.

Second you don't think he should be allowed to have an opinion on a controversial verdict? Again I just find this bizarre. He isn't allowed an opinion because he is an official?

Third his speeches are "biased"? Again you don't think he should be allowed an opinion? Should you be allowed an opinion? Isn't everything you say "biased"? When I use the word bias / biased... to me it is when a person is ignoring the truth or reality because they want to believe something else. Generally you use the word bias when somebody is being unreasonable. How is it unreasonable for him to state what he thinks?

I'm not going to get into an endless back and forth with you on this - I think my opinions on the matter have been stated clearly and you can agree or disagree, as you choose.

If you can't see the difference between me or any other anonymous person on DP expressing an opinion and the Attorney General of the US expressing an opinion, I can't help you.

You might want to do some research on people in positions of power and/or influence expressing their personal opinions on matters of public issue, particularly when those issues are related to their power/influence, and see how they were treated and how those opinions were received.

 

[Verax]

I'm not going to get into an endless back and forth with you on this - I think my opinions on the matter have been stated clearly and you can agree or disagree, as you choose.

If you can't see the difference between me or any other anonymous person on DP expressing an opinion and the Attorney General of the US expressing an opinion, I can't help you.

You might want to do some research on people in positions of power and/or influence expressing their personal opinions on matters of public issue, particularly when those issues are related to their power/influence, and see how they were treated and how those opinions were received.

Wouldn't personal opinions on an issue related to their job be a professional opinion?

To be honest I think you're just finding things to complain about because you disagree with their position.

 

[CanadaJohn]

Wouldn't personal opinions on an issue related to their job be a professional opinion?

To be honest I think you're just finding things to complain about because you disagree with their position.

No, actually, that would describe Holder.

 

[Verax]

No, actually, that would describe Holder.

LoL, I feel like I'm talking to a little kid.

 

[CanadaJohn]

LoL, I feel like I'm talking to a little kid.

Which only goes to show you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to me or my opinions.

Take care and have a good night.

 

[MaggieD]

I live in a no retreat state and to be honest, my reading of the stand your ground law Florida has is more broad than I would want it to be. Juries here tend not to be too fixated on the no retreat part though and it becomes more of a subjective totality of the circumstances test in practice. I read Florida's law as being I could be walking down the street from a park carrying a baseball bat and someone could blow me away and get off, and even more likely so if I were black.

Interesting take, Fisher. If it's so easy, tell me why Zimmerman didn't use that defense.

 

[Fisher]

Interesting take, Fisher. If it's so easy, tell me why Zimmerman didn't use that defense.

I am not sure what you are talking about but no retreat is not easier, it is harder, which is the way it should be. Despite all the complaining about Zimmerman never should have been charged, every case of a shooting in my city goes to a grand jury and with police shootings they have a special prosecutor and a special grand jury review it. The cops never get charged and everybody else always does. I am aware of no self-defense cases in my area not involving police that did not result in a trial.

 

[Woodman909]

Good afternoon, CJ! :2wave:

This is outrageous! Zimmerman was judged by a jury of his peers, in accordance with the law, and they found him not guilty! Holder may have his own opinion, but to make a mockery of the process because he doesn't agree is certainly making him look petty and childish! And he represents this country as the Attorney General? :thumbdown:

This should be of no surprise to anyone. This administration is known for choosing which laws they will care to uphold.

 

[MACS-24]

LoL, I feel like I'm talking to a little kid.

Pot calling the kettle black . . . In holder's position and on official business (which he was) he is totally wrong to inject his opinion. He's the AG for christ sake.

 

[MaggieD]

I am not sure what you are talking about but no retreat is not easier, it is harder, which is the way it should be. Despite all the complaining about Zimmerman never should have been charged, every case of a shooting in my city goes to a grand jury and with police shootings they have a special prosecutor and a special grand jury review it. The cops never get charged and everybody else always does. I am aware of no self-defense cases in my area not involving police that did not result in a trial.

I got the idea you thought it was "easy" because you said this:

I read Florida's law as being I could be walking down the street from a park carrying a baseball bat and someone could blow me away and get off, and even more likely so if I were black.

 

[Verax]

Pot calling the kettle black . . . In holder's position and on official business (which he was) he is totally wrong to inject his opinion. He's the AG for christ sake.

The AG is not allowed to comment about law? Interesting.