Episcopal Church sees first defection (1 Viewer)

[Navy Pride]

This is only the tip of the iceberg..........

Episcopal Church sees first defection - Metropolitan - The Washington Times, America's Newspaper

Episcopal Church sees first defection
By Julia Duin
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
December 12, 2006


All Saints Episcopal Church in Dale City, whose members voted 402-6 on Sunday to leave the Episcopal Church, has become the first Northern Virginia church to flee the denomination out of several expected defections.
The 500-member church was one of nine churches to vote last weekend whether to leave the Episcopal Church over disagreements on biblical authority and the 2003 consecration of New Hampshire Bishop V. Gene Robinson, a practicing homosexual.

 

[jamesrage]

This is only the tip of the iceberg..........

Episcopal Church sees first defection - Metropolitan - The Washington Times, America's Newspaper

Episcopal Church sees first defection
By Julia Duin
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
December 12, 2006


All Saints Episcopal Church in Dale City, whose members voted 402-6 on Sunday to leave the Episcopal Church, has become the first Northern Virginia church to flee the denomination out of several expected defections.
The 500-member church was one of nine churches to vote last weekend whether to leave the Episcopal Church over disagreements on biblical authority and the 2003 consecration of New Hampshire Bishop V. Gene Robinson, a practicing homosexual.

I think these churches should do more than defect,they should throw the leaders of the Episcopal church out on their ***.

 

[jallman]

I think these churches should do more than defect,they should throw the leaders of the Episcopal church out on their ***.

You would think something so shallow and...well...thoughtless. The Episcopal Church has had a long-standing history of tolerance and diversity. Also, it is not uncommon for sects of Christianity to split over dogmatic and idealogical differences. There is nothing new about this and there is nothing uncommon about congregations defecting their associations. They typically go crawling back when the building fund runs low or the preacher's raise becomes a matter of question. :mrgreen:

 

[jamesrage]

You would think something so shallow and...well...thoughtless. The Episcopal Church has had a long-standing history of tolerance and diversity.

The church is the last place on earth for tolerating sexual immorality.Perversity is not diversity and not tolerating is just common sense.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

The church is the last place on earth for tolerating sexual immorality.Perversity is not diversity and not tolerating is just common sense.

Must we go through this again, jamesrage? You have failed in every attempt to prove that homosexuality is either perverse or sexually immoral. These are your opinions and have no basis in fact. I do agree that the church has the right to chose to tolerate or not tolerate whatever they chose to. One would think, however, that a place of God would be the most tolerant sanctuary for anyone, anywhere. I suppose that doesn't apply to this particular church...and probably to many others.

 

[jallman]

The church is the last place on earth for tolerating sexual immorality.Perversity is not diversity and not tolerating is just common sense.

Church is the first place to tolerate human beings. I suppose you forget that Christ's "crowd" was harlots and sinners. Maybe you need church...that's your problem.

 

[jamesrage]

Must we go through this again, jamesrage? You have failed in every attempt to prove that homosexuality is either perverse or sexually immoral.

According to religious scriptures it is sexually immoral.Any behavior that is declared a sin in the bible is immoral according to that religion whose beliefs are based on that book.It may not be immoral to you because you are not a Christian,but to someone who is,it is immoral,just like adultery,stealing,murder,bestiality and anything else describe as obscene in the bible.

 

[jamesrage]

Church is the first place to tolerate human beings. I suppose you forget that Christ's "crowd" was harlots and sinners.

People often try to bring up the "let he who is with out sin cast the first stone" as a "sin all you want" card,they forget Jesus also said ""Go now and leave your life of sin."The reason why Christ sought these sinners out was because these are the people who need to seek forgiveness and repentance for their sins.A gay preacher is the same as a preacher who commits adultery,steals,bears false witness and so on,A preacher who does anyone of these sins with out seeking forgiveness and repentance is condoning such sins.

Maybe you need church...that's your problem.

Most of these churches are wrong,they commit idolatry,openly pray in public,openly donate to charity in public and condone other sins.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

According to religious scriptures it is sexually immoral.Any behavior that is declared a sin in the bible is immoral according to that religion whose beliefs are based on that book.It may not be immoral to you because you are not a Christian,but to someone who is,it is immoral,just like adultery,stealing,murder,bestiality and anything else describe as obscene in the bible.

Interesting, jamesrage. Intelligent, well-thought out, on target post. Your position seems to be that since according to religious scriptures, this behavior is immoral, allowing a gay religious figure who openly practices these behaviors would be agains this religion's doctrine. In the narrow context of that statement, I'd say you were right; the Episcopal Church went against their own belief system, and I would, therefore understand the defections.

However, a larger issue looms. Perhaps the Episcopal Church's doctirnes and religious laws are evolving, as is the church in general. Religious positions have evolved over time in several different denominations, and there is often a proceedure for this. In Judaism for example, Conservative and Reform denominational doctines and laws evolve through rabbinical discussions and decisions. This is done so the religion can evolve and deal with modern issues. Both have accepted gays into their congregations and Reform Jews have allowed gays to be cantors (and rabbi's, I think). I wonder if the Episcipal's are also evolving.

 

[jamesrage]

However, a larger issue looms. Perhaps the Episcopal Church's doctirnes and religious laws are evolving, as is the church in general.

Thats a laugh.Falling into moral decay and rejecting it's own set of religious laws is not evolving.These churches should start screening those in leadership positions so that this kind of crap of dismissing commandments will not happen again.The bible says to watch out for false prophets,false prophets/teachers are those who try to to alter church doctrine and try to tell you that certain behaviors are not a sin when it is clearly written as a sin.These men who condoned sin are false prophets.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Thats a laugh.Falling into moral decay and rejecting it's own set of religious laws is not evolving.These churches should start screening those in leadership positions so that this kind of crap of dismissing commandments will not happen again.The bible says to watch out for false prophets,false prophets/teachers are those who try to to alter church doctrine and try to tell you that certain behaviors are not a sin when it is clearly written as a sin.These men who condoned sin are false prophets.

:sigh: And just when I thought we were getting somewhere. Now, instead of stating what the church doctrine is, you are placing value judgements on people with no substantiation and creating a Complex question logical fallacy: you assume that acceptance of homosexuality leads to moral decay. You have no evidence of this. You also have not shown how changing religious tenets is not evolving; I have shown the contrary. This is religious evolution to meet with modern times.

 

[wonder cow]

Here is the way I see this:

(A) We are all sinners, true
(2) For some, however, the sin defines them
(C) If you are a drunkard, currently, you should not lead a Christian congregation. Catholic maybe.. (joking..:lol: )
(4) And likewise, if you are planning on living a homosexual lifestyle, you have no business ministering a Church.

 

[jamesrage]

you assume that acceptance of homosexuality leads to moral decay.

If they allow one sin why not allow other sins like adultery,cheating,sex with animals and so on?

You have no evidence of this. You also have not shown how changing religious tenets is not evolving;

Allowing sin is not evolving.Allowing sin is just going against church doctrine.

I have shown the contrary. This is religious evolution to meet with modern times.

Modern times is a just a drop of sand in the hourglass of time.Wen God told Adam and Eve to not eat of the tree of knowledge he didn't just wait until tomorrow and it will be okay to eat of it because it it will be with modern time.

 

[jamesrage]

Here is the way I see this:

(A) We are all sinners, true
(2) For some, however, the sin defines them

The reason sin defines a lot of people is because they choose to continue sinning.A thief is someone who continues to steal not someone who once or twice in the past shoplifted.

(C) If you are a drunkard, currently, you should not lead a Christian congregation. Catholic maybe.. (joking..:lol: )
(4) And likewise, if you are planning on living a homosexual lifestyle, you have no business ministering a Church.

I totally agree.Ministers are the moral compass/the example to show others.