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Environmental Protection Run Amok (1 Viewer)


I don't know the globe is warming, and neither do you. You are being told so by people who make a living at scaming for grants.

The surface record only records urbanization heat which everyone knows occurs because we pour a lot of heat absorbing concrete and heat our buildings in urban areas.

The USCRN established in Jan of 2005 (13 years ago) avoids spacial distribution and urbanization issues and has detected exacly 0.00 degrees of warming since Jan 2005 (where did the warming go?)

I wonder why this fact is NEVER published by the scam industry?
 

Considering your inability to even look up the correct figures for ice loss, I don't think you're in a position to lecture anybody about numerical ignorance. You also clearly have no clue whatsoever about the science. Glacier flow rate, for example, is strongly affected by temperature, and there is considerable evidence that the flow rate of Greenland glaciers has accelerated markedly over the past few decades.
 

Well, we do know when icecaps melt and I don't think it is because we are entering into an ice age.
 

Interesting article. Also has little to do with Environmental Protection or Climate Change...making me wonder if you grasped it at all.

The story of Lake Michigan shows is that our attempts at restoring ecosystems fail a lot, and a goal of maintaining ecosystems is much more manageable.

The Lake is absolutely clearer than when I was a kid, and the fishing is markedly worse - with lake trout being close to nonexistent in the Southern part, salmon declining (but they’re only there from stocking to eat the alewives, which are also gone) and smelt seem to have disappeared, mostly due to the invasive mussel populations.

The next major threat is Asian Carp, which are currently behind an electrical barrier on the Illinois river, but may sneak by one day and colonize the Great Lakes.

The takeaway from this is that it’s much, much easier to prevent problems than to have to deal with them...which may relate to Climate Change after all.
 

That's why I get so pissed of at those saying we aren't doing enough. We are heading the right direction. So what if we are using an economy car to get their instead of a Challenger Hellcat. We don't need to get their fast, as long as we are heading the right direction.
 

Don't believe anything from the bloggers at climate dot nasa. They are pundits. Look at their credentials. Find their source material, and stop listening to their lies.
 

Do you know what GRACE measured for January?
 
Real people vote with their wallets, the collective decision will find the best solution, and it will not be oil from the
ground, simply because there is not enough cheap oil left.
We have been working very hard for over a 150 years to find, recover, process and burn enough oil to
raise CO2 levels 125 ppm, to raise it another 155 ppm in the next 50 years, may not be possible.
 

You never look for correct data. You believe the bloggers at NASA.



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They always disregard my points on the loss of evapotranspiration added to the albedo change of urban areas.
 

At least they have the balls to put their real names on their writings, not hide behind an anonymous persona and call the world's scientists wrong because they dont understand their own findings.
 

How can there be "correct" figures when they are self contradictory

Button, button who's got the button? "Science, science" who's got the science?

Step right up folks, this handy dandy science does it all: you want socialism - you got socialism; you want welfare grants - this baby will deliver. you want growing ice this science can give it baby, you want shrinking ice; you can have that too.

You want fountains of bull**** - this baby is the mother of all bull****.


Exactly what is your worry? S.
 
They always disregard my points on the loss of evapotranspiration added to the albedo change of urban areas.

This is also a valid issue, the cooling of water evaporation through plant stoma, there is no way to adjust for any these factors since they are all unknown.

I have seen the heat of urbanization as much as +20 degrees F on very cold still winter nights in Minnesota. It slowly rolls off as you move towards the rural surroundings.
 
At least they have the balls to put their real names on their writings, not hide behind an anonymous persona and call the world's scientists wrong because they dont understand their own findings.

The "worlds" climate bureaucrats are all on the take, some people are so offended by all the BS, they must post under a pseudonym since they belongs to organizations who are also on the take. To reveal their names means they will be purged. Some like Judith Curry have to wait until their retirement is secure to expose the hoax.

Judith A. Curry
Climate Forecast Applications Network
Georgia Institute of Technology


 

Well, that’s one alternative reality.
 

When the wind is blowing right, I'm sure it can affect meteorological stations just outside the city significantly.

Where I live we get about 42" of rain annually. I forget what percentage I used as a starting part or this water to go into streams and rivers, to storm sewers, but it was probably around 75% ground retention, and 25% streams. Then calculated that to something like 85% storm sewers and 15% ground retention. I was just SWAGing it, but yields a loss of around 60% of that 42 inches, or 25.2 inches of loss. Anyway, that becomes 0.64 metric tons of water per square meter. I then applied the heat of evaporation, using watt-seconds instead of joules, and came out with a change of over 7 W/m^2 of cooling.

Effectively greater than a 7 W/m^2 increase in warming. This doesn't even include the changing emissivity if concrete, asphalt, etc. vs. vegetation.
 

The planet is what sustains us and keeps us alive. Taking the planet's side IS taking the humans' side. Doing what's best for for humans is doing what's best for the planet, as should be screamingly obvious.
 
The planet is what sustains us and keeps us alive. Taking the planet's side IS taking the humans' side. Doing what's best for for humans is doing what's best for the planet, as should be screamingly obvious.

Well now I was raised on Alan Watts who used to say that the Earth Sprouts Humans or something like that so yes, but what is best for humans must always be top priority......if we should find ourselves depriving ourselves of much needed water so that the Snail Darter can live, or giving rivers human rights, then we have messed up.
 
Nature adapts to the changing conditions. It is still better that the lake is cleaner. Stock it if you want more commercial fishing.
 
The planet is what sustains us and keeps us alive. Taking the planet's side IS taking the humans' side. Doing what's best for for humans is doing what's best for the planet, as should be screamingly obvious.

The inquisition was in the business of "protecting God" from assaults by those he created, the inquisitors were, in effect, "God's cops."

So now that God is dead and humans are created, not in God's image, but as the children of Gaia, could you be described as one of "Gaia's cops?"

What do you think of the idea of naming a grand inquisitor in order to prosecute those who are not on "Gaia's side" ?
 
Nature adapts to the changing conditions. It is still better that the lake is cleaner. Stock it if you want more commercial fishing.

Better for humans or better for bacteria and plankton? You sound as it you are quite bigoted against a lot of of God's smaller creatures
 

Huh. How oddly irrelevant to what I posted.
 

The USCRN data is probably as as good as it gets, you cannot easily find links to it. This is the 114 "pristine nework" located in areas where land use is rural and has not changed and has data collection methods that can stand up to scrutiny.

What NOAA has done is to "correct" the "USHRN" historical (and incorrect) data to make it match the USCRN as exactly as they can by adjusting it to match.

Here is where climate science "magic" comes in, they then use this "correction factor" to correct all of the USHRN data for the years preceding 2005 when the USCRN became active by extrapolation.

What could possibly go wrong?

Well, for one thing the USA has changed considerably from 1895 to 2005 so how do they (and we) know that that are correcting correctly?

More magic. Now the fudged record (manipulated) to make the past look colder becomes the standard by which real USCRN data is said to quantify anomalous "warming"

WTF?
 

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