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Enough gradualism with the anti-Russian responses — get tougher, now.

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Enough gradualism with the anti-Russian responses — get tougher, now.

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Republican U.S. Sen. Ben Sasse of Nebraska is right to say that Interpol, the international policing facilitator, should expel Russia from its membership and, specifically, block Russian access to its databases. Sasse said Russia and China already use Interpol in multiple ways to suppress and abuse political adversaries. Please allow, however, a broader point. The very fact that Russia remains a member of Interpol is a symptom of a larger failing. Beginning not just with Russia’s armed invasion of Ukraine but during the months of Russian saber-rattling beforehand, the other nations of the world and their overhyped international organizations have been too slow and too weak in countering Russian aggression. The U.S. and other nations should have imposed sanctions against Russia as soon as Russia began amassing offensive troops at Ukraine’s borders. The free world also should have rushed all possible military assistance from the very beginning of hostilities, along with the strongest of sanctions, rather than trying an endless game of careful calibration of responses. It is likely the human suffering in Ukraine has been tremendously worse because assistance was trotted out in periodic segments and levels. If the goal is to help Ukraine repel the invasion, then for goodness sake, give Ukraine the means to repel it quickly and decisively rather than to stay one painful step ahead of the executioner.

Likewise, the incremental ramping up of the response makes it more likely, not less, that Russia will continue escalating to ever-more-dangerous degrees. Every time Vladimir Putin sees free-world hesitation, it gives him more reason to think that he can cause us to crack by upping his pressure just a little more. This is true in the nuclear-weapons context, too. The Russian doctrine of “escalate to de-escalate” is well known. If Putin believes that one-time use of small “tactical nukes” will force the West to accept a settlement favorable to Russia — and if the West’s endless bet-hedging shows as much fear as resolve — he is more likely to use nukes than if he is told, unambiguously, that any nuclear use will mean his own obliteration. So, by all means, expel Russia from Interpol. Then do what it takes to expel Russia from Ukraine altogether.


Can't say I disagree with any of the above.

If NATO is engaged in a proxy war with Russia, and US SecDef Austin says that we are, then stop the "dribs and drabs" assistence to Ukraine and provide them what they need to beat back Moscow's land-grab invasion.

Let's stop the naivety and sophistry. Russia is already preparing to kick-in Moldova's door.
 

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If I give rocks to the guy throwing them at you and and am egging that guy on to throw more at you, are you going to ingonor me?
 

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If I give rocks to the guy throwing them at you and and am egging that guy on to throw more at you, are you going to ingonor me?

No one is asking Russia to ignore anything. No one expects Russia to ignore anything. Spare us the strawman.
 

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No one is asking Russia to ignore anything. No one expects Russia to ignore anything. Spare us the strawman.
I pointing out the more we help the more likely it is Russia is going to react badly to it and attack us directly. Do we really want to go down that rabbit hole? We cant even keep up production of the Stinger missiles we have been sending Ukraine and apparently we don't even have a transition plan in place till the replacement is brought online. "Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth." Iron Mike Tyson.
 

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I pointing out the more we help the more likely it is Russia is going to react badly to it and attack us directly. Do we really want to go down that rabbit hole? We cant even keep up production of the Stinger missiles we have been sending Ukraine and apparently we don't even have a transition plan in place till the replacement is brought online. "Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth." Iron Mike Tyson.

**** Russia and their response. I ain't scared. And if Ukrainians win or not is no skin off my ass.

Why are you scared of Russia.
 

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I pointing out the more we help the more likely it is Russia is going to react badly to it and attack us directly. Do we really want to go down that rabbit hole? We cant even keep up production of the Stinger missiles we have been sending Ukraine and apparently we don't even have a transition plan in place till the replacement is brought online. "Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth." Iron Mike Tyson.

Russia does not have the conventional military capability to defeat the US (much less NATO) directly. Russia, like all other nuclear ‘super-powers’, knows that no nation can win (aka survive) an all out nuclear war.
 

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**** Russia and their response. I ain't scared. And if Ukrainians win or not is no skin off my ass.

Why are you scared of Russia.
Are you stuck on stupid? What do you think will happen when two big dogs get unleashed? Nothing good, thats what. The Russians may not win in the end, but they sure as **** can put a boot up our ass and **** us up but good. Remember those nukes they got and all the physicist that designed them and can modify them to do many things like EMP generation. The Russians dont actually have to nuke us to shut us down hard and they have the know how. If you clamor for conflict you best be prepared to go all the way.
 

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Are you stuck on stupid? What do you think will happen when two big dogs get unleashed?

Russia is not a big dog. We're the only big dog. There's one. Just one. It's us. Russia's military budget is 10% of the US. Russia's military is developing world, not Western.

There's no reason for you to be scared of Russia. You might as well be scared of a lone random Euro country. It's ridiculous. "Oh noes! Watch out for Spain! Don't unleash a Big Dog!" Pa-lease. Pa-****ing-lease. Have some god damn perspective.
 

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Russia does not have the conventional military capability to defeat the US (much less NATO) directly. Russia, like all other nuclear ‘super-powers’, knows that no nation can win (aka survive) an all out nuclear war.
Russia may not be able to stand toe to toe for long if at all, that said that does in no way mean they cant **** us up but good using non nuclear means, or using nuclear means in an indirect capacity like EMP generation.
 

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Russia is not a big dog. Russia's military budget is 10% of the US. Russia's military is developing world, not Western.

There's no reason for you to be scared of Russia.
There's no reason to be looking for a fight either.
 

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There's no reason to be looking for a fight either.

Russia is trash and you're acting like the US should be scared. That's ***** bs. Who put coward in your coffee.
 

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Russia is not a big dog. We're the only big dog. There's one. Just one. It's us. Russia's military budget is 10% of the US. Russia's military is developing world, not Western.

There's no reason for you to be scared of Russia. You might as well be scared of a lone random Euro country. It's ridiculous. "Oh noes! Watch out for Spain! Don't unleash a Big Dog!" Pa-lease. Pa-****ing-lease. Have some god damn perspective.

Russia is basically a convenience store with nuclear capabilities. They have far more to lose than gain by trying to punch those far above their weight class.

 

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Russia is basically a convenience store with nuclear capabilities. They have far more to lose than gain by trying to punch those far above their weight class.


Russia has 10% of the US military budget and developing world casualty rates. They're trash and it's pathetic that any American would be scared of a shithole country. Fat soft Americans scared of tiny barking dogs.

You want evidence of the feminization of American men? Look no further than their cowardice before Putin and his shithole regime. That's proof most American men are sissies.

"We wouldn't wanna upset him."

****ing girls. Fat girls. Fat stupid girls.
 

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Russia is basically a convenience store with nuclear capabilities. They have far more to lose than gain by trying to punch those far above their weight class.

They have had those nuclear capabilities for some time as long as we have. This means they have all their research and development. It also means they know the systems as well as us. They can punch well above their weight class in a conventional nuclear exchange and they can punch above their class using their nukes indirectly to affect harm against the electronic systems we are reliant on. They dont even have to attack us directly they can hit an ally just a dependent and force us to choose how to use our logistics capabilities. The Russians played in the big leagues with us for a very long time. They are not chumps and they can fight.
 

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They have had those nuclear capabilities for some time as long as we have. This means they have all their research and development. It also means they know the systems as well as us. They can punch well above their weight class in a conventional nuclear exchange and they can punch above their class using their nukes indirectly to affect harm against the electronic systems we are reliant on. They dont even have to attack us directly they can hit an ally just a dependent and force us to choose how to use our logistics capabilities. The Russians played in the big leagues with us for a very long time. They are not chumps and they can fight.

OK, then why all bark and no bite?
 

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Putin knows he is losing in Ukraine and is humiliated, especially with the sinking of the Moskva. So he drags our his nuclear-scare card and hopes the West shits its pants.

Putin brought all of this misery on himself. He was told very clearly by the West that there would be severe consequences if Russia invaded Ukraine.

And he basically said "**** you all, I'm doing it anyway." He thought Ukraine would be easy-peasy. He can't win on the battlefield, so he considers murdering civilians and destroying cities a victory.
 
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