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End of war in Ukraine. Scenarios.

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Scenarios are being presented on how the war will end.

Your take?

This is from Der Tagesspiegel.
*Der Tagesspiegel is a German daily newspaper. It has regional correspondent offices in Washington D.C. and Potsdam

The currently most likely scenario for an end to the Ukraine war

Part of the truth of Putin's war of aggression is that a diplomatic end to the invasion will be messy and painful. Also for the West.

But how should the war end?

Three scenarios are possible.

First, Putin could be ousted, overthrown, killed. The level of anger and frustration within Russia, including at the Stalinist methods of suppressing any form of opposition, should not be underestimated.

Large sections of the elite are leaving the country. Within the military and in oligarchy circles, there may be a growing realization that the president's inhumane escapades have become intolerable. It's a possible but unfortunately not very likely scenario. Putin is KGB-trained, he smells intrigues. So far there is nothing to indicate a loss of control within power.

Second, Russia could lose the war militarily. The invaders would continue to take massive casualties, with soldiers deserting. In the end, what was left of the army would ignominiously withdraw. This is also a possible, but unfortunately not very likely scenario.

The third thing that remains is diplomacy. The objection is that there's no point in talking to Putin, he doesn't keep any agreements and breaks every contract. That's correct. Only the Russian President holds the reins in his hand. There is no one else to negotiate with in a meaningful way.

The sad truth is that a diplomatic end to this war will be messy and painful. It is possible that agitators will call for the fight to continue at all costs or even for NATO to intervene. Because a Putin who has miscalculated badly needs a result that he can still sell as a success in Russia.

The Ukrainian government will have to explain this to its citizens without giving the impression that the many sacrifices were in vain. Finally, the West will be faced with the question of whether it is ready to relax sanctions after an agreement between Volodymyr Zelenskyy and Vladimir Putin, even though Putin remains in office.

A current analysis by the US magazine "The Atlantic" warns of an ominous dynamic. If the West intensifies its support for Ukraine—triggered by a combination of Putin's barbarism Ukrainian successes against the Russian army, and Western optimism about a possible victory over Russia—there could be miscalculations on the Russian side that stem from desperation. "The longer the crisis lasts, the greater the danger." The global political situation is more threatening than during the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962.

https://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik...er-ein-ende-des-ukraine-krieges/28165734.html
 
Because a Putin who has miscalculated badly needs a result that he can still sell as a success in Russia. The Ukrainian government will have to explain this to its citizens without giving the impression that the many sacrifices were in vain.

So much war happens because of the 'we can't end this war or the people who have given their lives will be for nothing'. How much did people feel that way in, say, Vietnam or Afghanistan? So much war is about 'saving face' and the politics of not wanting to lose.

A current analysis by the US magazine "The Atlantic" warns of an ominous dynamic. If the West intensifies its support for Ukraine—triggered by a combination of Putin's barbarism Ukrainian successes against the Russian army, and Western optimism about a possible victory over Russia—there could be miscalculations on the Russian side that stem from desperation. "The longer the crisis lasts, the greater the danger." The global political situation is more threatening than during the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962.

I think it's wrong to say more dangerous than the Cuban Missile Crisis, but also mostly irrelevant to compare the levels. Who cares if one incident is 10% more danger than another for nuclear war? The point is high danger to destroy the world.
 
Scenarios are being presented on how the war will end.

Your take?

This is from Der Tagesspiegel.
*Der Tagesspiegel is a German daily newspaper. It has regional correspondent offices in Washington D.C. and Potsdam

The currently most likely scenario for an end to the Ukraine war

Part of the truth of Putin's war of aggression is that a diplomatic end to the invasion will be messy and painful. Also for the West.

But how should the war end?

Three scenarios are possible.

First, Putin could be ousted, overthrown, killed. The level of anger and frustration within Russia, including at the Stalinist methods of suppressing any form of opposition, should not be underestimated.

Large sections of the elite are leaving the country. Within the military and in oligarchy circles, there may be a growing realization that the president's inhumane escapades have become intolerable. It's a possible but unfortunately not very likely scenario. Putin is KGB-trained, he smells intrigues. So far there is nothing to indicate a loss of control within power.

Second, Russia could lose the war militarily. The invaders would continue to take massive casualties, with soldiers deserting. In the end, what was left of the army would ignominiously withdraw. This is also a possible, but unfortunately not very likely scenario.

The third thing that remains is diplomacy. The objection is that there's no point in talking to Putin, he doesn't keep any agreements and breaks every contract. That's correct. Only the Russian President holds the reins in his hand. There is no one else to negotiate with in a meaningful way.

The sad truth is that a diplomatic end to this war will be messy and painful. It is possible that agitators will call for the fight to continue at all costs or even for NATO to intervene. Because a Putin who has miscalculated badly needs a result that he can still sell as a success in Russia.

The Ukrainian government will have to explain this to its citizens without giving the impression that the many sacrifices were in vain. Finally, the West will be faced with the question of whether it is ready to relax sanctions after an agreement between Volodymyr Zelenskyy and Vladimir Putin, even though Putin remains in office.

A current analysis by the US magazine "The Atlantic" warns of an ominous dynamic. If the West intensifies its support for Ukraine—triggered by a combination of Putin's barbarism Ukrainian successes against the Russian army, and Western optimism about a possible victory over Russia—there could be miscalculations on the Russian side that stem from desperation. "The longer the crisis lasts, the greater the danger." The global political situation is more threatening than during the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962.

https://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik...er-ein-ende-des-ukraine-krieges/28165734.html
Fourth, Putin declares "Mission accomplished!", says his military has rooted out the fascist faction in the Ukrainian government and they can come home now.
He could sell that narrative in Russia.
 
Fifth - he wins.

At great cost to both armies and devastation to Ukraine, he ousts the govt, sets up a puppet regime and likely gets stuck dealing with lingering sanctions and a simmering insurgency for many years.
 
Uncle Vlad wants the Bio Labs obliterated , control of the transit Oil pipe lines and the Nazis tried and executed .

With Mariupol in his hands and Kharkiv and Kyiv surrounded and ripe for suffocation, the game is over without the west having any real idea what is going on .

Just the viper's nest of beautiful Odessa to sort out while the west let's time slip by as they chat nonsense among themselves .
 
Just the viper's nest of beautiful Odessa to sort out while the west let's time slip by as they chat nonsense among themselves .
That is so romantic. For these types of writings at the beginning of the 1900's they might have confuse you with Grigori Rasputin.

Royality a while ago, stalinism yesterday and today nationalism. Interesting how the russian system sympatizer always has an affinity to thrive for someone/something to rule over them. It's like they don't have the mind for democracy.

Now they sell it as a fight against "nazism". While nobody can deny a far right element in Ukraine (like in every country) to look at Vladimir Putin as a crusader in 2022 is beyond reason from my view.
 
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