Employers cannot leave California fast enough

[NatMorton]

California assemblywoman pushes for four-day workweek

Legislators in California are aiming to make a four-day workweek a reality.

finance.yahoo.com

And they'd be prohibited from reducing pay as a result.

 

[PirateMk1]

California assemblywoman pushes for four-day workweek

Legislators in California are aiming to make a four-day workweek a reality.

finance.yahoo.com

And they'd be prohibited from reducing pay as a result.

They would be better off pushing for 4 10's or 4 12's or 3 12's rather than 4 32's.

 

[NatMorton]

They would be better off pushing for 4 10's or 4 12's or 3 12's rather than 4 32's.

They'd be better off letting employers and employees manage themselves.

 

[Greenbeard]

"AB 2932 imposes a tremendous cost on employers and includes provisions that are impossible to comply with, exposing businesses to litigation," Hoffman wrote, adding: "Of particular concern is that the bill’s language provides that 'the compensation rate of pay at 32 hours shall reflect the previous compensation rate of pay at 40 hours.' This language may be interpreted as requiring the employer to pay the employee the same total compensation that they are presently earning at 40 hours for 32 hours of work."

Seems that maintaining the same hourly rate and working fewer hours would in fact lower one’s total wages.

 

[NatMorton]

Seems that maintaining the same hourly rate and working fewer hours would in fact lower one’s total wages.

I doubt it as it would reduce an employee's ability to earn, and that's no way to bribe a voter.

 

[Gateman_Wen]

They'd be better off letting employers and employees manage themselves.

Yeah, 'cause that's worked out so well.

 

[CaughtInThe]

California assemblywoman pushes for four-day workweek

Legislators in California are aiming to make a four-day workweek a reality.

finance.yahoo.com

And they'd be prohibited from reducing pay as a result.

 

[NatMorton]

Yeah, 'cause that's worked out so well.

Yes, it generally does.

 

[eohrnberger]

California assemblywoman pushes for four-day workweek

Legislators in California are aiming to make a four-day workweek a reality.

finance.yahoo.com

And they'd be prohibited from reducing pay as a result.

"Employers cannot leave California fast enough"
What do you expect when an actively business hostile environment is created through regulations and legislation?
Employers are voting with their feet.

 

[bluesmoke]

CA is highly competitive because that's where the money is, the world's 5th largest economy. Real GDP growth 2020-2021 was 7.8%, 3rd highest in the nation. Those that can't compete gotta leave. CA haters can ignore the facts and leave or stay where they're at.

Gross Domestic Product by State, 4th Quarter 2021 and Year 2021 (Preliminary) | U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA)

Real gross domestic product (GDP) increased in 47 states and the District of Columbia in the fourth quarter of 2021, as real GDP for the nation increased at an annual rate of 6.9 percent, according to statistics released today by the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis. The percent change in real...

www.bea.gov

It's not called the Golden State for nothing.

 

[NatMorton]

CA is highly competitive because that's where the money is, the world's 5th largest economy. Real GDP growth 2020-2021 was 7.8%, 3rd highest in the nation. Those that can't compete gotta leave. CA haters can ignore the facts and leave or stay where they're at.

Gross Domestic Product by State, 4th Quarter 2021 and Year 2021 (Preliminary) | U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA)

Real gross domestic product (GDP) increased in 47 states and the District of Columbia in the fourth quarter of 2021, as real GDP for the nation increased at an annual rate of 6.9 percent, according to statistics released today by the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis. The percent change in real...

www.bea.gov

It's not called the Golden State for nothing.

Pride comes before a fall.

 

[Moon]

Seems that maintaining the same hourly rate and working fewer hours would in fact lower one’s total wages.

Doesn’t look like it based on what’s proposed.

“Of particular concern is that the bill’s language provides that 'the compensation rate of pay at 32 hours shall reflect the previous compensation rate of pay at 40 hours.' This language may be interpreted as requiring the employer to pay the employee the same total compensation that they are presently earning at 40 hours for 32 hours of work."

So it would likely raise labor costs for employers without an increase in productivity.

 

[Greenbeard]

Doesn’t look like it based on what’s proposed.

“Of particular concern is that the bill’s language provides that 'the compensation rate of pay at 32 hours shall reflect the previous compensation rate of pay at 40 hours.' This language may be interpreted as requiring the employer to pay the employee the same total compensation that they are presently earning at 40 hours for 32 hours of work."

So it would likely raise labor costs for employers without an increase in productivity.

Working 32 hours at the same hourly rate of pay as one worked 40 hours would be a lower total wage.

 

[NatMorton]

Odd that members of the California Assembly would assume that just because they add nothing of value in either 32 or 40 hours of work that all others in the state would be the same.

 

[NatMorton]

Working 32 hours at the same hourly rate of pay as one worked 40 hours would be a lower total wage.

Yes, it would, but I don't think that's what this bill is proposing.

 

[NatMorton]

Working 32 hours at the same hourly rate of pay as one worked 40 hours would be a lower total wage.

From another story, emphasis added:

Legislation is now working its way through the state legislature that would make the standard workweek 32 hours for companies with more than 500 workers. There would be no cut in pay, and those who work more would be compensated at a rate of no less than 1.5 times the employee’s regular rate of pay.

Source: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/12/california-considers-a-32-hour-workweek-for-larger-companies.html

 

[NatMorton]

This story is yet another example of what is an increasingly accurate truism.

Progressive Policy: Ideas so good they need to be mandatory.

 

[Moon]

Working 32 hours at the same hourly rate of pay as one worked 40 hours would be a lower total wage.

They’ll get paid to work 32 hours the same amount they were paid to work 40, so it would actually be an increase in wage.

 

[Greenbeard]

From another story, emphasis added:


Source: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/12/california-considers-a-32-hour-workweek-for-larger-companies.html

Seems clear (since the bill says this) there would be no cut in the rate of pay. Totals of course depend on the time period for which a rate is applied.

 

[NatMorton]

They’ll get paid to work 32 hours the same amount they were paid to work 40, so it would actually be an increase in wage.

I do find the reporting so far to be ambiguous (though perhaps the bill is written that way). Regardless, what is not open to question is that employers would pay more for an individual working 40 hours since hours 33 through 40 would have to be paid at time and a half.

 

[Greenbeard]

They’ll get paid to work 32 hours the same amount they were paid to work 40, so it would actually be an increase in wage.

It says their rate of pay can’t be decreased.

 

[NatMorton]

Seems clear (since the bill says this) there would be no cut in the rate of pay. Totals of course depend on the time period for which a rate is applied.

Read that article more closely. It doesn't say that. It says "pay," not "pay rate," would be preserved. They only mention of pay rate when it comes to the time and a half owed for for working more than 32 hours.

 

[Greenbeard]

Read that article more closely. It doesn't say that. It says "pay," not "pay rate," would be preserved. They only mention of pay rate when it comes to the time and a half owed for for working more than 32 hours.

Read the bill more closely.

The compensation rate of pay at 32 hours shall reflect the previous compensation rate of pay at 40 hours, and an employer shall not reduce an employee’s regular rate of pay as a result of this reduced hourly workweek requirement.

Bill Text -

leginfo.legislature.ca.gov

 

[What if...?]

From another story, emphasis added:


Source: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/12/california-considers-a-32-hour-workweek-for-larger-companies.html

You do mow that your posts could have been seen when the forty hour week was enacted.

It was gonna be the end of America, no one would be able to make a profit., etc etc etc.

Pretty much the same screed as we see in this thread.

Didn’t happen though. In fact those labor changes led to the most prosperous middle class the world has ever seen.

 

[WillyPete]

It sounds nice, but folks who work on call 24/7 won't notice the difference, unless they change overtime rules, also.

I'm also not sure how it impacts salaried folks, who aren't paid hourly. If it cuts their salary 20%, it's only going to appeal to certain people.

I think it would be better to offer positive incentives for the behavior you want, something along the lines of a tax dodge for having flexible hours available to their staff.