Embryonic Stem Cells Poll - Test Your Principles

[26 X World Champs]

Embryonic Stem Cells are all over the news again this week as the Senate debates new bills, one sponsored by the Democrats (Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act - SR5) passed through the Senate Wednesday 63-34 (still not enough to override a presidential veto but very close to getting there). This bill would allow ONLY for using Embryonic Stem Cells that are going to be thrown away by fertility clinics. No cloning, nothing but using stem cell lines that would be otherwise tossed into the garbage.

There's a competing Republican bill that is a bogus attempt by the Bushies to appease the anti-science crowd by passing a bill that is, in reality not changing any of the policies that Bush created in August of 2001.

The Poll question is simple yet complicated.

If you are against public financing for Embryonic Stem Cell research but a cure for a disease that you contract is discovered through these public funds would you refuse treatment or would you sacrifice your principles to save your own life. Yes or No?

 

[Gibberish]

I am for government funding of research of embryonic stem cells to be used for the cure of terminal illnesses. There must be rules placed on how the stem cells are collected in a ethical manner. Preferrably stem cells will be collected from embryo's that would normally be discarded.

 

[adamanarch]

I am all for stem cell research. I am completely against the government funding it.

 

[WI Crippler]

I am all for stem cell research. I am completely against the government funding it.

Agreed....

 

[Cremaster77]

I am all for stem cell research. I am completely against the government funding it.

Agreed....

The cost of medical technologies based on brand new biologic principles is so great, that no private company is able to absorb the cost should it prove to be unfruitful. Only the federal government is large enough to do so. Since you support embryonic stem cell research so much, but don't want the government funding it, please answer a simple question. Name one major medical advance in the last 50 years that wasn't built off the back of federally funded basic research.

 

[DeeJayH]

Welll by that logic I should not eat fruits and vegetables because they are picked by illegal aliens and i oppose that
I should not live in a house, because they are built by illegal aliens
but that also means I can not stay in a hotel/motel because the maids and bellboys are probably illegal immigrants

blah blah blah
yada yada yada

 

[DeeJayH]

The cost of medical technologies based on brand new biologic principles is so great, that no private company is able to absorb the cost should it prove to be unfruitful. Only the federal government is large enough to do so. Since you support embryonic stem cell research so much, but don't want the government funding it, please answer a simple question. Name one major medical advance in the last 50 years that wasn't built off the back of federally funded basic research.

interesting point, i look forward to the responses

back at you Cre...

how many medical advances funded by the government were deemed morally reprehensible by a large portion of the population, and yet moved forward anyway

 

[Cremaster77]

Welll by that logic I should not eat fruits and vegetables because they are picked by illegal aliens and i oppose that
I should not live in a house, because they are built by illegal aliens
but that also means I can not stay in a hotel/motel because the maids and bellboys are probably illegal immigrants

blah blah blah
yada yada yada

Don't you suppose that the demand you create by eating those fruit or staying in those hotels contributes to illegal immigration? If you are so against illegal immigration, why would you participate in activities that create demand for it?

 

[WI Crippler]

The cost of medical technologies based on brand new biologic principles is so great, that no private company is able to absorb the cost should it prove to be unfruitful. Only the federal government is large enough to do so. Since you support embryonic stem cell research so much, but don't want the government funding it, please answer a simple question. Name one major medical advance in the last 50 years that wasn't built off the back of federally funded basic research.

I don't know, but how come the research is still going on without government funding right now??

And I don't "support it so much" as much as I recognize its possible value. But until that value can be verified, there is no reason to grow the government should it prove to be, as you say, unfruitful. Thats all.

 

[DeeJayH]

Don't you suppose that the demand you create by eating those fruit or staying in those hotels contributes to illegal immigration? If you are so against illegal immigration, why would you participate in activities that create demand for it?

sooo
I should become a starving homeless bum because the govt will NOT do its JOB?
I dont think so.
cant imagine trying to live in this shithole state without central AC

 

[Cremaster77]

interesting point, i look forward to the responses

back at you Cre...

how many medical advances funded by the government were deemed morally reprehensible by a large portion of the population, and yet moved forward anyway

Easy. In vitro fertillization. 20 years ago, the public outcry at the immorality of creating humans in a test tube and the fact that scientists were "playing God" was huge. There were dire prediction about how these children would turn out to be "soulless" and biologically deficient. How do those predictions look now? It's amazing to me how short people's memories are. The same people crying about IVF 20 years ago are the same ones crying about EBSC research now.

 

[Cremaster77]

sooo
I should become a starving homeless bum because the govt will NOT do its JOB?
I dont think so.
cant imagine trying to live in this shithole state without central AC

No, you should buy your vegetables locally where you know how the produce is processed. You should stay in hotel chains that have strict policies against hiring illegal immigrants. It's not different than people who refuse to shop at certain gas stations because of where the gas comes from. Why is illegal immigration any different?

 

[DeeJayH]

Easy. In vitro fertillization. 20 years ago, the public outcry at the immorality of creating humans in a test tube and the fact that scientists were "playing God" was huge. There were dire prediction about how these children would turn out to be "soulless" and biologically deficient. How do those predictions look now? It's amazing to me how short people's memories are. The same people crying about IVF 20 years ago are the same ones crying about EBSC research now.

good example, controversy-wise
except i can not find where it states it was a govt program
In vitro fertilisation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[DeeJayH]

No, you should buy your vegetables locally where you know how the produce is processed. You should stay in hotel chains that have strict policies against hiring illegal immigrants. It's not different than people who refuse to shop at certain gas stations because of where the gas comes from. Why is illegal immigration any different?

mind directing me to the website that shows what business have illegals and which dont?
Besides everyone knows, Corporate puts out a memo, but the onsite people ignore to increase profits, ensuring Corporate will not scrutinize them
it is impossible to know who what which is illegal free
having been raised in NY I do not assume somebody is illegal just because they can no speak english, or atleast do not speak it well

 

[Cremaster77]

I don't know, but how come the research is still going on without government funding right now??

And I don't "support it so much" as much as I recognize its possible value. But until that value can be verified, there is no reason to grow the government should it prove to be, as you say, unfruitful. Thats all.

The majority of the research in the US is going on with the federally approved stem cells that do receive federal funding. Only those stem cell lines are proving to be woefully inadequate. Worldwide, the US has fallen far behind other countries where the federal governments do support ESC research.

If you applied your principle that government funds shouldn't be applied to research that might not work, then there would be ZERO government funds for basic research and scientific advancement would grind to a halt. Yes, there are private companies to conduct research, but every single one of these companies relies on promising data conducted from federally funded basic research. Having worked in a number of labs, I can tell you that something like 95% of research ideas and research that people do end up amounting to nothing. What private company can afford to start from scratch with a 5% success rate?

 

[Cremaster77]

good example, controversy-wise
except i can not find where it states it was a govt program
In vitro fertilisation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Not that it was a government program, but that the basic research on which IVF was founded was federally funded. Without that research, IVF would never have become a reality.

 

[ARealConservative]

I compromise my principles all the time.

For instance - having dependents shouldn't give me favorable tax status - but that doesn't mean I don't claim my kids at tax time.

The poll is nonsensical - sorry to say. That I don't approve of government funding doesn't mean I'm not paying for it anyway. And if I'm paying for it - why would I deny myself care that I paid for?

 

[Cremaster77]

mind directing me to the website that shows what business have illegals and which dont?

Not sure about the quality of this site, but I found it after a quick search. WeHireAliens.com--Illegal Alien Employer Database brought to you by the FIRE Coalition

This type of information is growing as illegal immigration is becoming more of a national issue. It's not as available as where oil companies purchase their oil, but it will grow. 10 years ago, it was hard to figure out where oil companies were getting their goods as well.

Besides everyone knows, Corporate puts out a memo, but the onsite people ignore to increase profits, ensuring Corporate will not scrutinize them
it is impossible to know who what which is illegal free
having been raised in NY I do not assume somebody is illegal just because they can no speak english, or atleast do not speak it well

Absolutely true. Which is why the Internet is littered with sites such as this one that give tips on spotting illegal aliens. It's a cheesy site, I realize, but it's an example of how there are many sites that help people to recognize when they're hiring illegal immigrants.

All I'm saying is that it's one thing to make a good faith effort and still fall short of your principles. The poll however asks if you will abandon your principles simply because you personally would be affected by them.

 

[Navy Pride]

I am totally against the federal funding of embryonic research......There are plenty of private companies to do this research........I have heard that experimentation on adult research is very promising....

 

[Cremaster77]

I am totally against the federal funding of embryonic research......There are plenty of private companies to do this research.

I guess you don't read any of the previous posts before you throw your two cents in.

I have heard that experimentation on adult research is very promising....

Which is why ASC research should continue. Not that you are doing this, but I find it disingenuous when those against ESC imply that by funding ESC, funding for ASC will stop. Just like I find it disingenuous when those who support ESC paint those opposed as against ALL stem cell research and not ESC.

 

[Navy Pride]

I guess you don't read any of the previous posts before you throw your two cents in.


Which is why ASC research should continue. Not that you are doing this, but I find it disingenuous when those against ESC imply that by funding ESC, funding for ASC will stop. Just like I find it disingenuous when those who support ESC paint those opposed as against ALL stem cell research and not ESC.

I am expressing my opinion...Do you have a proiblem with that? I thought you leftys were for free speech....:roll:

You need to get educated on ASC and the difference.....

 

[Cremaster77]

I am expressing my opinion...Do you have a proiblem with that? I thought you leftys were for free speech....:roll:

The fact that you think calling me a lefty is a)accurate and b)an insult is about all that anyone needs to know about you to know what your opinion is worth. My post was to point out that your opinion was addressed not 10 posts above. You clearly have no interest in having an informed opinion, but rather just giving one.

You need to get educated on ASC and the difference.....

I guarantee you I know far more about stem cell research than you. Would you like to test that knowledge against yours?

 

[Cephus]

I'm all for stem cell research, I think it needs to be increased, there is a lot of good that can come from it. Whether or not the government has a hand in funding it, however, is up for debate. I really don't think that the government has much of a place in funding any medical research, that is the job of the companies who will potentially profit from it.

 

[DeeJayH]

I guess you don't read any of the previous posts before you throw your two cents in.


Which is why ASC research should continue. Not that you are doing this, but I find it disingenuous when those against ESC imply that by funding ESC, funding for ASC will stop. Just like I find it disingenuous when those who support ESC paint those opposed as against ALL stem cell research and not ESC.

The really sad part is how many times the MSM states that Bush is "Opposed to federal funding of Stem Cell Research" when we all know it only applies to Embryonic Stem Cell Research

 

[26 X World Champs]

I am for government funding of research of embryonic stem cells to be used for the cure of terminal illnesses. There must be rules placed on how the stem cells are collected in a ethical manner. Preferrably stem cells will be collected from embryo's that would normally be discarded.

Senate bill SR5 that was passed on Wednesday clearly stated exactly what you're suggesting.