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Elon Musk is right about Apple

Not sure that attacking advertisers is the best way to keep them. Thoughts?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Hmm… don’t those two (bolded above) contradict each other?

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US Smartphone Market Share [Updated Jan 2024] | Oberlo

Recent data on US smartphone market share shows a strong lead by Apple over its closest rival, Samsung. Here’s a breakdown of US smartphone market shares.
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That's US.. Worldwide its about 70-30 Android...

Apple is the most popular cell phone brand.... Android phones are a billion different brands running Android..
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Hmm… don’t those two (bolded above) contradict each other?

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US Smartphone Market Share [Updated Jan 2024] | Oberlo

Recent data on US smartphone market share shows a strong lead by Apple over its closest rival, Samsung. Here’s a breakdown of US smartphone market shares.
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Not from a developer standpoint. Only two choices when developing apps for phones. IOS or Android. If you chose to develop for Android, it isn't dependant on which phone company, but rather if it runs Android. Which is usually all cell phone companies not Apple.
 
Linuxcooldude said:
Of course it is. However the premise is Apple has the largest market share of smart phones. Nearly every phone other than iPhone runs on Android. The Android phone market is larger. It's just that the iPhone is more profitable.
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It isn't just profitability.

The Apple store guarantees security, etc. in some ways that Android markets do not. These are key differentiators that I suspect will continue to see the iOS and Apple platform taking a larger and larger share of the market as time continues to pass.
ttwtt78640 said:
Hmm… don’t those two (bolded above) contradict each other?

www.oberlo.com

US Smartphone Market Share [Updated Jan 2024] | Oberlo

Recent data on US smartphone market share shows a strong lead by Apple over its closest rival, Samsung. Here’s a breakdown of US smartphone market shares.
www.oberlo.com www.oberlo.com
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No.

Apple has the largest market share for smartphones because it is a singular brand of phone. Android runs on multiple brands. And, then you get into non-phone devices. Android devices are a larger market share than other Apple devices. From your Kindles to your Alexa speakers, etc. all of which run apps. That's why the Android market share is larger than the Apple market share.
 
Linuxcooldude said:
Not from a developer standpoint. Only two choices when developing apps for phones. IOS or Android. If you chose to develop for Android, it isn't dependant on which phone company, but rather if it runs Android.
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Horse hockey... PWA, responsive, basic HTML...
 
Helix said:
It's sick that they're probably going to let the anti-vax bots post. That can do a lot of damage.
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Meh. Let Darwin do his important work Friend.
 
BlueTex said:
Horse hockey... PWA, responsive, basic HTML...
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Not profit wise. IOS and Android is where profit is at. Exposure through IOS store and Google play store. PWA looks like a different concept and is too new and not time tested.
 
Linuxcooldude said:
Not profit wise. IOS and Android is where profit is at. Exposure through IOS store and Google play store. PWA looks like a different concept and is too new and not time tested.
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LMAO.... Do you access DP on a mobile device?
 
Dans La Lune said:
The question isn't the 30%, but what are the getting for that 30%. Are they getting advertising, a clean operating system, access to a solid customer base, analytics, etc.? There are people with very small, very cheap apps that pull in tens of millions of dollars in monthly revenue to having access to the App store. Procreate (a $10 app with no subscription) pulls in ~$3 million a month. That's pretty good for a company with ~30 employees.

And no, I'm not defending Apple, I'm saying that if you get value for 30%, then it's not a rip-off. In fact, it could be a bargain.

Like everything else in this world, it depends.
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Apple's claim is for that steeper cut they are vetting apps so they are more secure for users. This again seems to be a complaint about wanting the reach a platform provides but not willing to comply by the rules of those who set it up. This is a interesting debate because it turns the tables on those who typically side with corporations and those who don't. I've used both Android and macOS/iOS and prefer the more Apple's environment more than I do Google's, but I don't care to customize or get into the weeds of an operating system which is why Apple is fine.
 
Linuxcooldude said:
Accessing web pages through an app ( or whatever ) is only a very small fraction of what apps can do.
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Does every app need every feature of native apps on IOS or Android?
 
BirdinHand said:
I don’t feel the need to be upset about Apple’s platform just because Elon opened a bill.

Apple regularly charges the surcharge to have apps available on their platform. It is charged once that app crosses $X.
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The issue exists outside of Musk. Just because someone notes something does not mean that said thing doesn't exist if you remove them from the equation. So are you a laissez faire capitalist or no? There are things to be said with our regulatory bodies not doing a good enough job keeping monopolistic dynamics from causing issues. Microsoft has lost lawsuits for merely having their own software on their OS.
 
BlueTex said:
Why would the government need to intervene? Apple created IOS and their method of distribution. Why should they not charge for those that want to use it? There are alternatives for sites to use if they want to be accessed from mobile devices without the store.
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So you are or aren't a laissez faire capitalist?

Elon Musk is right about Apple

Not sure that attacking advertisers is the best way to keep them. Thoughts?
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Fishking said:
The issue exists outside of Musk. Just because someone notes something does not mean that said thing doesn't exist if you remove them from the equation. So are you a laissez faire capitalist or no? There are things to be said with our regulatory bodies not doing a good enough job keeping monopolistic dynamics from causing issues. Microsoft has lost lawsuits for merely having their own software on their OS.
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Not a strict laisezz faire capitalist, no.

I do not believe that it is prudent or wise to strictly adhere to any political or economic theory. There are lots of grey areas in society
 
BlueTex said:
Why would the government need to intervene? Apple created IOS and their method of distribution. Why should they not charge for those that want to use it? There are alternatives for sites to use if they want to be accessed from mobile devices without the store.
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Apple is essentially charging a tax on the internet. Spotify and Facebook, for example, are stand-alone sites that you can access on the internet. They can be accessed without an apple product. However, Apple wants a piece of the pie essentially for these companies having their app on an ios device.

It makes zero sense for Apple to get a 30% cut for an in-app purchase when these purchases can be made out-of-the app.

Apple is simply the middleman, and they want a 30% cut. A typical cut for a middleman is 10-15%.
 
multivita-man said:
True, but TSLA doesn't have the same market cap and record of profitability of an Amazon or Google. I honestly am less familiar with Nvidia, but in Meta's case, I think it similarly suffers from poor leadership. TSLA is also facing the prospect of growing competition and the brand is suffering at a time when it can afford it the least. FWIW, I think their energy storage and potential to make that a regular in-home type product is a real game changer and should probably be as much, if not more, a focus of future company growth.

But I think the number of people that leave Apple over their infatuation with Musk is going to be insignificant. Apple's a global brand. Their problems with their Foxconn facility in China and their global supply chain are a far bigger headache than Musk.
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Apple's stock is most certainly will decline in 2023, given they are going against insane 2022 comps.

Apple has, unfortunately, become a very hostile company. If Steve Jobs were alive, he would likely be horrified at the work Tim Cooke has been doing.

Compare that to Microsoft, a company that bailed out Apple in the 90s. They have a much more inclusive approach to partnerships.
 
Bucky said:
Apple's stock is most certainly will decline in 2023, given they are going against insane 2022 comps.

Apple has, unfortunately, become a very hostile company. If Steve Jobs were alive, he would likely be horrified at the work Tim Cooke has been doing.

Compare that to Microsoft, a company that bailed out Apple in the 90s. They have a much more inclusive approach to partnerships.
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Apple's got the largest market cap in the world...11 years after Steve Jobs' death. Cook's doin just fine.
 
Bucky said:
Apple is essentially charging a tax on the internet. Spotify and Facebook, for example, are stand-alone sites that you can access on the internet. They can be accessed without an apple product. However, Apple wants a piece of the pie essentially for these companies having their app on an ios device.

It makes zero sense for Apple to get a 30% cut for an in-app purchase when these purchases can be made out-of-the app.

Apple is simply the middleman, and they want a 30% cut. A typical cut for a middleman is 10-15%.
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It isn’t a “tax on the internet”. Apps =\= internet.

The Facebook iPhone app sold in the Apple store is a completely different than Facebook web browser that you access via your preferred web browser on the internet. And again, completely different app than you would use on an Android device. All 3 are coded different/in different languages and likely by different people.

The 30% cut, as was also shared earlier, is for apps which generate/sell more than $X million. Smaller apps pay the lower 15%.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Hmm… so 30% a reasonable profit margin for Apple, but not for freight railroads? ;)
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Freight railroads are effectively monopolies at a local/ regional level.

Apple has lots of competition in the cell phone world
 
BirdinHand said:
It isn’t a “tax on the internet”. Apps =\= internet.

The Facebook iPhone app sold in the Apple store is a completely different than Facebook web browser that you access via your preferred web browser on the internet. And again, completely different app than you would use on an Android device. All 3 are coded different/in different languages and likely by different people.

The 30% cut, as was also shared earlier, is for apps which generate/sell more than $X million. Smaller apps pay the lower 15%.
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What is the point of this 30% tax besides profit for Apple? Seems kind of silly.

Amazon, for example, doesn't allow purchases on an iPhone for audible/kindle purchases.
 
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