Elizabeth Warren apologized to Cherokee Nation over DNA test, tribe says

[Rickeroo]

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/01/politics/elizabeth-warren-apology-to-cherokee-nation/index.html

Warren's explanation, her stories of a familial history and the DNA test, she added, only made things worse.
"All of those things aren't how indigenous people measure and determine Native identity," Nagle said. "It's how white people try to measure our identity -- by blood quantum or by percentages."

Warren was only following the white person's concept of race: Race is immutable - there is no choice in the matter. Race is genetic and can be proven with DNA. Warren is part Native as DNA has proven.

If she's part Indian, she IS part Indian per DNA. It is a scientific, immutable fact. If she is to apologize for that, she might as well apologize for having 2 eyes and 10 fingers.

 

[Winston]

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/01/politics/elizabeth-warren-apology-to-cherokee-nation/index.html

Warren's explanation, her stories of a familial history and the DNA test, she added, only made things worse.
"All of those things aren't how indigenous people measure and determine Native identity," Nagle said. "It's how white people try to measure our identity -- by blood quantum or by percentages."

Warren was only following the white person's concept of race: Race is immutable - there is no choice in the matter. Race is genetic and can be proven with DNA. Warren is part Native as DNA has proven.

If she's part Indian, she IS part Indian per DNA. It is a scientific, immutable fact. If she is to apologize for that, she might as well apologize for having 2 eyes and 10 fingers.

Imo, if she did feel the need to apologize and do so; that's a sign of strength. Something someone as unwise as our President will go to his grave without internalizing.


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[Acadia]

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/01/politics/elizabeth-warren-apology-to-cherokee-nation/index.html

Warren's explanation, her stories of a familial history and the DNA test, she added, only made things worse.
"All of those things aren't how indigenous people measure and determine Native identity," Nagle said. "It's how white people try to measure our identity -- by blood quantum or by percentages."

Warren was only following the white person's concept of race: Race is immutable - there is no choice in the matter. Race is genetic and can be proven with DNA. Warren is part Native as DNA has proven.

If she's part Indian, she IS part Indian per DNA. It is a scientific, immutable fact. If she is to apologize for that, she might as well apologize for having 2 eyes and 10 fingers.

Not according to Indians. Tribal membership, which she claimed, is not based on DNA. That is what she is apologizing for, and it's about time.

 

[Chomsky]

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/01/politics/elizabeth-warren-apology-to-cherokee-nation/index.html

Warren's explanation, her stories of a familial history and the DNA test, she added, only made things worse.
"All of those things aren't how indigenous people measure and determine Native identity," Nagle said. "It's how white people try to measure our identity -- by blood quantum or by percentages."

Warren was only following the white person's concept of race: Race is immutable - there is no choice in the matter. Race is genetic and can be proven with DNA. Warren is part Native as DNA has proven.

If she's part Indian, she IS part Indian per DNA. It is a scientific, immutable fact. If she is to apologize for that, she might as well apologize for having 2 eyes and 10 fingers.

Yeah, but she's a mess as can be seen by her yo-yoing here. Plus, she comes across (to me) as not very likeable, with little personal charisma, and seemingly a bit "fake" at times.

If the Dems nominate her, be prepared to say "Welcome to your second term, Mr. President".

 

[Acadia]

Imo, if she did feel the need to apologize and do so; that's a sign of strength. Something someone as unwise as our President will go to his grave without internalizing.


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Oh, please. Warren is apologizing because her gauzy, high-production dna-reveal, aka "Toldya so! I AM Indian!", which proved she has LESS Native American DNA than the average American, went over like a lead balloon and further insulted the people she has been claiming to be for decades.

Going forward with her Presidential bid could not happen until she apologized. This isn't about self awareness. It's about political expediency.

It was about as organic and genuine as her kitchen beer summit.

 

[Dutch]

Imo, if she did feel the need to apologize and do so; that's a sign of strength. Something someone as unwise as our President will go to his grave without internalizing.


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No, it isn't. It's bowing to the mob mentality of the PC crowd. If she has native American Ancestry she has native American Ancestry. She was forced to apologize for not being Native American enough. It's disgraceful.

 

[Barnacle]

Imo, if she did feel the need to apologize and do so; that's a sign of strength. Something someone as unwise as our President will go to his grave without internalizing.
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The only sign I see is fear of losing the Native American vote once she starts "running" her campaign. :lamo

 

[Chomsky]

Not according to Indians. Tribal membership, which she claimed, is not based on DNA. That is what she is apologizing for, and it's about time.

Yeah, but if she knew what she was doing she wouldn't be in this mess. Which is why I see her as a poor choice for nomination.

 

[Dutch]

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/01/politics/elizabeth-warren-apology-to-cherokee-nation/index.html

Warren's explanation, her stories of a familial history and the DNA test, she added, only made things worse.
"All of those things aren't how indigenous people measure and determine Native identity," Nagle said. "It's how white people try to measure our identity -- by blood quantum or by percentages."

Warren was only following the white person's concept of race: Race is immutable - there is no choice in the matter. Race is genetic and can be proven with DNA. Warren is part Native as DNA has proven.

If she's part Indian, she IS part Indian per DNA. It is a scientific, immutable fact. If she is to apologize for that, she might as well apologize for having 2 eyes and 10 fingers.

The problem is the Cherokee tribe didn't want to claim her. The reality is the various Native American tribes, the Cherokee included, have been busy throwing people off their rolls for years now. That's the effect of the casino money. Fewer tribal members means larger paychecks.

I guess money is thicker than blood.

Native American Tribal Disenrollment Reaching Epidemic Levels

 

[Dutch]

Not according to Indians. Tribal membership, which she claimed, is not based on DNA. That is what she is apologizing for, and it's about time.

Nonsense. DNA proves out some of her familial stories. Just how many of today's Cherokee's are "actually" full blooded Cherokees? The constant wars. Intermarriage with other Native American groups not to mention the black and Native American slaves they owned means many of them are highly unlikely to be full blooded tribal Cherokees.

 

[Rexedgar]

Yeah, but if she knew what she was doing she wouldn't be in this mess. Which is why I see her as a poor choice for nomination.

.......or the beer video and other missteps. The only redeeming factor is her championing the consumer, that won’t get it done, imo.

 

[RobertU]

If progressives are going to start saying, "DNA doesn't prove anything," then they are also saying "Science doesn't prove anything." Who is anti-science now?

 

[Winston]

No, it isn't. It's bowing to the mob mentality of the PC crowd. If she has native American Ancestry she has native American Ancestry. She was forced to apologize for not being Native American enough. It's disgraceful.

Your saying she was forced to do something she didn't feel was right. I am saying if she felt it was right to apologize and did, that's a sign of strength.

I still think it is.


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[Winston]

Oh, please. Warren is apologizing because her gauzy, high-production dna-reveal, aka "Toldya so! I AM Indian!", which proved she has LESS Native American DNA than the average American, went over like a lead balloon and further insulted the people she has been claiming to be for decades.

Going forward with her Presidential bid could not happen until she apologized. This isn't about self awareness. It's about political expediency.

It was about as organic and genuine as her kitchen beer summit.

Arguments against someone's level of disingenuousness are important. Why do you think she was insincere?


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[Perotista]

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/01/politics/elizabeth-warren-apology-to-cherokee-nation/index.html

Warren's explanation, her stories of a familial history and the DNA test, she added, only made things worse.
"All of those things aren't how indigenous people measure and determine Native identity," Nagle said. "It's how white people try to measure our identity -- by blood quantum or by percentages."

Warren was only following the white person's concept of race: Race is immutable - there is no choice in the matter. Race is genetic and can be proven with DNA. Warren is part Native as DNA has proven.

If she's part Indian, she IS part Indian per DNA. It is a scientific, immutable fact. If she is to apologize for that, she might as well apologize for having 2 eyes and 10 fingers.

Strange how running for political office, for the presidency in Warren's case make these folks want to apologize over things they have no control over.

 

[Omega Man]

If she has native American Ancestry she has native American Ancestry.

And according to the DNA results, she has less Native American ancestry than the average American. Which is of course another way of saying the majority of American's share native DNA - but that certainly doesn't mean the majority of American's are Native American. It only means that Warren is less a Native American than most of us.


OM

 

[Omega Man]

Nonsense. DNA proves out some of her familial stories. Just how many of today's Cherokee's are "actually" full blooded Cherokees? The constant wars. Intermarriage with other Native American groups not to mention the black and Native American slaves they owned means many of them are highly unlikely to be full blooded tribal Cherokees.

The fact her DNA reflects she has less Native American DNA than the average American casts quite the dubious light on her family stories.


OM

 

[Dutch]

The fact her DNA reflects she has less Native American DNA than the average American casts quite the dubious light on her family stories.


OM

Less than still means Native American DNA.

 

[Dutch]

And according to the DNA results, she has less Native American ancestry than the average American. Which is of course another way of saying the majority of American's share native DNA - but that certainly doesn't mean the majority of American's are Native American. It only means that Warren is less a Native American than most of us.


OM

So......as I indicated in the other post.........she still possesses Native American DNA. Just what more needs to be said here?

 

[Dutch]

Strange how running for political office, for the presidency in Warren's case make these folks want to apologize over things they have no control over.

I’d just like to know what it is the left wants her to apologize for?

 

[Dutch]

Your saying she was forced to do something she didn't feel was right. I am saying if she felt it was right to apologize and did, that's a sign of strength.

I still think it is.

No. I’m saying I see no reason to force her to apologize. She said she had Native American blood and she does. I find it disturbing people are criticizing her for not having enough Native American blood. It’s insidious.

Are people going to start criticizing Mr. Obama now for not being black enough? Where does this nonsense end?


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No. I’m saying I see no reason to force her to apologize. She said she had Native American blood and she does. I find it disturbing people are criticizing her for not having enough Native American blood. It’s insidious.

Are people going to start criticizing Mr. Obama now for not being black enough? Where does this nonsense end?

 

[Winston]

No. I’m saying I see no reason to force her to apologize. She said she had Native American blood and she does. I find it disturbing people are criticizing her for not having enough Native American blood. It’s insidious.

Are people going to start criticizing Mr. Obama now for not being black enough? Where does this nonsense end?

I agree the reaction has been embarrassing. But Republicans live in embarrassment, in perpetuity.

They are shameless. If she did cave to their fake outrage that's not a sign of strength. However if the Cherokee nation pushed back on her, then I can see her apology as sincere. The GOP are ignorant, dishonest attack dogs. Cherokee are not.


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[Perotista]

I’d just like to know what it is the left wants her to apologize for?

I don't have the slightest idea. It seems to be a fad going around these days.

 

[Dutch]

I agree the reaction has been embarrassing. But Republicans live in embarrassment, in perpetuity.

They are shameless. If she did cave to their fake outrage that's not a sign of strength. However if the Cherokee nation pushed back on her, then I can see her apology as sincere. The GOP are ignorant, dishonest attack dogs. Cherokee are not.


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So..........the left is eating it’s own for reasons that make no sense whatsoever and you use this thread to lambast conservatives who have absolutely nothing to do with any this.

Okay.

 

[Winston]

So..........the left is eating it’s own for reasons that make no sense whatsoever and you use this thread to lambast conservatives who have absolutely nothing to do with any this.

Okay.

Whatever dude my position is clear


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