Election Discussion - US House

[EnigmaO01]

Fear of what? Congratulations...Democrats have won the power to conduct investigations that will go nowhere because they don’t control the Senate. There will be no impeachment and there will be no stopping Trump from shaping the judiciary in his image.

 

[EnigmaO01]

The economy isn't booming?

Sure is. But it's been booming for some time now. And Obama actually had faster growth on three quarters during his tenure.

But I know. You'd rather believe in the Trump myth.

 

[ajn678]

Apparently not but you sure are doing a lot of whining about it.

Lol, think what you like I guess!

 

[Napoleon]

1. Trump didn't sacrifice squat. It was a referendum on him and he lost.

2. If you think having a majority in the house is not a big deal you haven't paid much attention when the republicans controlled it during Obama's tenure.

1) The House was a predictable outcome when he lost the popular vote. The Senate was a referendum on Trump and he gained seats.

2) Stopping Trump on the issues that matter required taking the Senate. It’s as simple as that.

 

[Aberration]

Sure is. But it's been booming for some time now. And Obama actually had faster growth on three quarters during his tenure.

But I know. You'd rather believe in the Trump myth.

GDP is not a measure of economic growth when it includes government spending.

 

[poweRob]

Another Dem pickup.

Calif. District 25

Katie Hill Dem. 83,662 51.3%
Steve Knight* Rep. 79,545 48.7%

 

[MSgt]

But you got Waters and Ocasio, I mean I'm so jealous.

Both are insignificant to me and the country's newly established status in the world.

 

[ludin]

Why would we trust you? You're a supporter of the most untrustworthy president ever.

And that insanity line is so cliche.

next time don't nominate the most untrustworthy person in the world. come up with someone better.

 

[Doc91478]

Imagine that... Republicans lost the House to Democrats and no houses have been burned down. Democrats are safe in their beds and no Republicans are threatening mob rule... Wow....

 

[DiAnna]

next time don't nominate the most untrustworthy person in the world. come up with someone better.

WTF about YOU guys??? You had good, sane choices... Jeb Bush, John Kasich, hell even Lindsay Graham! I would have voted for any of them, and DID vote for Kasich in the primary. Hillary was not my first choice as a candidate, but at least she was qualified.

Nobody likes to admit they **** the bed, but that is exactly what the GOP did by nominating Trump. Mark my words, that fat swine will be indicted when he's out of office, if he's not impeached first (which would not be my preference because of the crisis that would cause). It's only a question of when and how many counts.

So stop with the "but Hillary" crap; you guys put a corrupt and greedy mob boss in the WH; at least have the guts to own it.

 

[DH Kirkwood]

WTF about YOU guys??? You had good, sane choices... Jeb Bush, John Kasich, hell even Lindsay Graham! I would have voted for any of them, and DID vote for Kasich in the primary. Hillary was not my first choice as a candidate, but at least she was qualified.

Nobody likes to admit they **** the bed, but that is exactly what the GOP did by nominating Trump. Mark my words, that fat swine will be indicted when he's out of office, if he's not impeached first (which would not be my preference because of the crisis that would cause). It's only a question of when and how many counts.

So stop with the "but Hillary" crap; you guys put a corrupt and greedy mob boss in the WH; at least have the guts to own it.

I'm oddly reminded of the buyer's remorse that afflicts the gaming community. It's inconceivable for most gamers to get a hold of all two or three major consoles that are competing with each other during launch. Since they can't easily take back their decision, gamers will simply argue about which console is the best, going as far as to attribute hardware capabilities to their machine that it does not posses, all in the name of avoiding admitting to themselves that they got the short-end of the stick.

I do think this sort of buyer's remorse plays a role in why people often are very reluctant to criticize someone they voted for, but I think a greater factor may simply be the embodiment of an ideal. When you place all your hopes for the fulfillment of an ideal on a figure, then it becomes that much more difficult to accept the fallibility of that figure. For me, that figure was Barack Obama, a man who campaigned to the left of his actual governance, someone who I thought, after following the disastrous administration of George W., would foster confidence in the left-wing, but instead ended up governing as a moderate Republican as the right continuously painted him as some crazy, radical lefty.

It took me a few years to stop bending over backwards to defend his continuation of Bush-era policies, but by the time he was up for re-election, I thought that he was certainly going to lose.

 

[Puigb]

WTF about YOU guys??? You had good, sane choices... Jeb Bush, John Kasich, hell even Lindsay Graham! I would have voted for any of them, and DID vote for Kasich in the primary. Hillary was not my first choice as a candidate, but at least she was qualified.

Nobody likes to admit they **** the bed, but that is exactly what the GOP did by nominating Trump. Mark my words, that fat swine will be indicted when he's out of office, if he's not impeached first (which would not be my preference because of the crisis that would cause). It's only a question of when and how many counts.

So stop with the "but Hillary" crap; you guys put a corrupt and greedy mob boss in the WH; at least have the guts to own it.

I liked your post because I agree with it, with the exception of the Jeb Bush part. I understand why the GOP base rejected Jeb. It's largely for the same reasons the Dems base really didn't want Clinton. Fatigue of political dynasties. Also, whether you agree or not, George. W. Bush severely damaged the Bush name forever. Hell, Trump has been calling Dubya a terrible president for years...and the same voters who voted for Bush also later voted for Trump, which speaks volumes to how low Bush has sunk even with his own parties base.

But the rest is spot on. GOP voters chose the Reality T.V. Star birther over 16 other GOP candidates, and he won with a record total, and 7 million votes ahead of the second placed Ted Cruz. Despite having ZERO political experience, and absolutely no history of EVER supporting conservative policies or positions, and also despite being a long time Clinton supporter...GOP voters ignored all that and decided Trump was their man. They didn't care at all about his past, only what he was telling them now.

 

[Puigb]

Imagine that... Republicans lost the House to Democrats and no houses have been burned down. Democrats are safe in their beds and no Republicans are threatening mob rule... Wow....

Dems lost the house to the GOP in 2010, and I don't remember any houses burning down. But perhaps you can refresh my memory?

 

[marke]

Dems lost the house to the GOP in 2010, and I don't remember any houses burning down. But perhaps you can refresh my memory?

Dems lost the 2016 election and leftist liberals have not stopped violently protesting ever since. So much for Hillary and democrat pundits chastising Trump before the 2016 election because they thought he might not accept the results of the election.

 

[DiAnna]

I liked your post because I agree with it, with the exception of the Jeb Bush part. I understand why the GOP base rejected Jeb. It's largely for the same reasons the Dems base really didn't want Clinton. Fatigue of political dynasties. Also, whether you agree or not, George. W. Bush severely damaged the Bush name forever. Hell, Trump has been calling Dubya a terrible president for years...and the same voters who voted for Bush also later voted for Trump, which speaks volumes to how low Bush has sunk even with his own parties base.

But the rest is spot on. GOP voters chose the Reality T.V. Star birther over 16 other GOP candidates, and he won with a record total, and 7 million votes ahead of the second placed Ted Cruz. Despite having ZERO political experience, and absolutely no history of EVER supporting conservative policies or positions, and also despite being a long time Clinton supporter...GOP voters ignored all that and decided Trump was their man. They didn't care at all about his past, only what he was telling them now.

I never voted for G.W. Bush; the first time, I basically flipped a coin because I wasn't a big Gore fan either; I supported G.W.'s post-911 military action in Afghanistan... until he held back half the troops needed for an ISIS kill shot in order to invade Iraq on false premises. Then he lost my vote forever, and I still haven't forgiven him for that.

Jeb Bush is not his brother, although I agree that both the "Bush" and the "Clinton" names have their own baggage. Still Jeb, and others who vied for the nomination, were experienced politicians and moderates who could have wooed my vote away from Hillary.

I was gobsmacked and horrified that the GOP nominated a totally unqualified, totally corrupt, totally dishonest piece of crap to represent their party for the presidential elections; I had no choice but to vote for Hillary. I had hoped that the GOP could keep this repulsive man-child in line; they could not and frankly did not even put forth the effort because they were so blinded by the power and control their party now wielded. For two years they have basically sucked the dick of a corrupt, thin-skinned, authoritarian dictator who admires the leaders of our enemies and insults our staunchest allies.

I am afraid for this country. In the end, America will be faced with a choice of joining the Russia/China/North Korea collation, or pulling our head into a shell to play isolationist, abandoning our long-standing allies and watching our enemies run rampant over European democracies, along with our own, as we observe without care or conscience. When the President of the United States proudly proclaims himself to be a "nationalist" while declaring neo-nazis, KKK members and white supremacists to be "good people", it is too damned late to pull the fire drill lever; it has become 1950 again, and every citizen of this country should be afraid, very afraid.

 

[DiAnna]

I'm oddly reminded of the buyer's remorse that afflicts the gaming community. It's inconceivable for most gamers to get a hold of all two or three major consoles that are competing with each other during launch. Since they can't easily take back their decision, gamers will simply argue about which console is the best, going as far as to attribute hardware capabilities to their machine that it does not posses, all in the name of avoiding admitting to themselves that they got the short-end of the stick.

I do think this sort of buyer's remorse plays a role in why people often are very reluctant to criticize someone they voted for, but I think a greater factor may simply be the embodiment of an ideal. When you place all your hopes for the fulfillment of an ideal on a figure, then it becomes that much more difficult to accept the fallibility of that figure. For me, that figure was Barack Obama, a man who campaigned to the left of his actual governance, someone who I thought, after following the disastrous administration of George W., would foster confidence in the left-wing, but instead ended up governing as a moderate Republican as the right continuously painted him as some crazy, radical lefty.

It took me a few years to stop bending over backwards to defend his continuation of Bush-era policies, but by the time he was up for re-election, I thought that he was certainly going to lose.

Initially I did not vote for Obama because I thought him unqualified, an empty suit with a charismatic smile. However, he was a quick study, represented our country and the office of president well in the eyes of the world and our allies, so I did vote to re-elect him.

He was not a strong leader, but he was a good man who did the best he could. In the end, I liked him as a person and wished he and his family lived next door to us. I still feel he was too green, too ambitious, too unqualified to initially be elected to the highest office in the land. Fortunately, he was not a greedy, corrupt pig, and honestly tried to lead the country wisely, even if he did not always succeed.

 

[DH Kirkwood]

Initially I did not vote for Obama because I thought him unqualified, an empty suit with a charismatic smile. However, he was a quick study, represented our country and the office of president well in the eyes of the world and our allies, so I did vote to re-elect him.

He was not a strong leader, but he was a good man who did the best he could. In the end, I liked him as a person and wished he and his family lived next door to us. I still feel he was too green, too ambitious, too unqualified to initially be elected to the highest office in the land. Fortunately, he was not a greedy, corrupt pig, and honestly tried to lead the country wisely, even if he did not always succeed.

Obama was someone that I feel that I can have a beer with. I never gave two ****s about his qualifications, only his stances. He came to the table with an already-compromised RomneyCare. He completely reversed his stance on NSA spying of Americans. He continued the Bush tax cuts. Tell me where his governance was decidedly better than a nonconservative.

I stand convinced that if he had governed as an actual liberal, that there would have been no room for a Donald Trump. The current president occasionally ran on rhetoric that the people are craving for, and so did Obama. Making due on it is another story.

 

[DH Kirkwood]

I liked your post because I agree with it, with the exception of the Jeb Bush part. I understand why the GOP base rejected Jeb. It's largely for the same reasons the Dems base really didn't want Clinton. Fatigue of political dynasties. Also, whether you agree or not, George. W. Bush severely damaged the Bush name forever. Hell, Trump has been calling Dubya a terrible president for years...and the same voters who voted for Bush also later voted for Trump, which speaks volumes to how low Bush has sunk even with his own parties base.

But the rest is spot on. GOP voters chose the Reality T.V. Star birther over 16 other GOP candidates, and he won with a record total, and 7 million votes ahead of the second placed Ted Cruz. Despite having ZERO political experience, and absolutely no history of EVER supporting conservative policies or positions, and also despite being a long time Clinton supporter...GOP voters ignored all that and decided Trump was their man. They didn't care at all about his past, only what he was telling them now.

While I have nothing invested in the Republican side of things, I thought that Kasich and Rand Paul would have been better Republicans than the current president.

 

[upsideguy]

Imagine that... Republicans lost the House to Democrats and no houses have been burned down. Democrats are safe in their beds and no Republicans are threatening mob rule... Wow....

...the day is young....

Plus we need to divert our focus to the Southern Border where somewhere between a dozen and millions men, woman and children are going to overrun our border and forever change our way of life.

Its amazing to me that people actually believe this stuff. I guess when your base is substantially uneducated they are pretty malleable.

Unfortunately, the biggest threat to our way of life has managed to infiltrate the White House. Fortunately, he will be substantially in check on most matters, except appointments, for the next two years, when we can fully rectify this.

 

[Doc91478]

Dems lost the house to the GOP in 2010, and I don't remember any houses burning down. But perhaps you can refresh my memory?

Neither were families of politicians or journalists in the homes threatened by terrorists groups like #OWS, #BLM, #Antifa or even the Alt-Right

 

[Doc91478]

...the day is young....

Plus we need to divert our focus to the Southern Border where somewhere between a dozen and millions men, woman and children are going to overrun our border and forever change our way of life.

Its amazing to me that people actually believe this stuff. I guess when your base is substantially uneducated they are pretty malleable.

Unfortunately, the biggest threat to our way of life has managed to infiltrate the White House. Fortunately, he will be substantially in check on most matters, except appointments, for the next two years, when we can fully rectify this.

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Right...., You can always scare the bejesus out of Tucker Carlson's wife and children. Funny they never tried going after Chris Wallace and his family. Hmm..., perhaps on the next terrorist attack... Eh?

 

[Chomsky]

You're all right. I was letting Van Jones and other's opinions about how this was "heart-breaking" cloud reality. It was a great night for Dems.

Wow. Thanks, Josie. Not a great night, but good enough and looking a bit better as the late counts roll-in. Have a good one!

 

[Puigb]

I never voted for G.W. Bush; the first time, I basically flipped a coin because I wasn't a big Gore fan either; I supported G.W.'s post-911 military action in Afghanistan... until he held back half the troops needed for an ISIS kill shot in order to invade Iraq on false premises. Then he lost my vote forever, and I still haven't forgiven him for that.

Jeb Bush is not his brother, although I agree that both the "Bush" and the "Clinton" names have their own baggage. Still Jeb, and others who vied for the nomination, were experienced politicians and moderates who could have wooed my vote away from Hillary.

I was gobsmacked and horrified that the GOP nominated a totally unqualified, totally corrupt, totally dishonest piece of crap to represent their party for the presidential elections; I had no choice but to vote for Hillary. I had hoped that the GOP could keep this repulsive man-child in line; they could not and frankly did not even put forth the effort because they were so blinded by the power and control their party now wielded. For two years they have basically sucked the dick of a corrupt, thin-skinned, authoritarian dictator who admires the leaders of our enemies and insults our staunchest allies.

I am afraid for this country. In the end, America will be faced with a choice of joining the Russia/China/North Korea collation, or pulling our head into a shell to play isolationist, abandoning our long-standing allies and watching our enemies run rampant over European democracies, along with our own, as we observe without care or conscience. When the President of the United States proudly proclaims himself to be a "nationalist" while declaring neo-nazis, KKK members and white supremacists to be "good people", it is too damned late to pull the fire drill lever; it has become 1950 again, and every citizen of this country should be afraid, very afraid.

The GOP base voting for Trump the way they did in the primaries was a result of Right wing media and pundits spending 8 years telling them that President Obama was a foreign born Muslim with a fake birth certificate, hated white people, was a socialist, communist, terrorist sympathizer, wanted to take away their guns, etc. All of that built up hatred resulted in Reality T.V. Star opportunist Donald Trump taking all of that built up hatred, and building an entire campaign out of it (all starting with the birther nonsense in 2011), which resulted in him winning the GOP primaries, and later the presidency. I have no sympathy for the GOP, even if they did BEG their voters during the primaries to NOT vote for Trump. It was too late by then, they CHOSE to radicalize their base, and now because of the GOP, we are ALL paying the price for that.

And you are right, most of the GOP including the so called "Never Trumpers" are all in the Trump camp now. He gave them their supreme court choices and tax cuts, so now they are full fledged Trump toadies. But the moment he becomes useless to the GOP, I have no doubt they'll throw his ass under the bus, and pretend they never supported him in the first place. Look at what has become Dubya's fate. That is likely what will happen to Trump down the line. The GOP is known for trying to alter history to fit their own narrative.

 

[Puigb]

While I have nothing invested in the Republican side of things, I thought that Kasich and Rand Paul would have been better Republicans than the current president.

Kasich for sure. While I don't agree with all of what he stands for, he at the very least has managed to avoid being a Trump toadie, which is why most of the GOP base hates his guts now. Rand Paul? He's a joke, like his father.

 

[Puigb]

Initially I did not vote for Obama because I thought him unqualified, an empty suit with a charismatic smile. However, he was a quick study, represented our country and the office of president well in the eyes of the world and our allies, so I did vote to re-elect him.

He was not a strong leader, but he was a good man who did the best he could. In the end, I liked him as a person and wished he and his family lived next door to us. I still feel he was too green, too ambitious, too unqualified to initially be elected to the highest office in the land. Fortunately, he was not a greedy, corrupt pig, and honestly tried to lead the country wisely, even if he did not always succeed.

What I find deliciously hypocritical is how Republican voters spent 8 years bashing Obama due to his lack of political experience, and what do they do in response? They elect a damn Reality T.V. Star with ZERO political experience to be their next leader. Goes to show what a colossal joke American conservatism has become.