El Salvador’s President Says He Won’t Return Man Who Was Mistakenly Deported (1 Viewer)

[Hamish Howl]

I am an advocate of utilitarianism.

Nobody cares.

If you can understand that concept then you might understand the greater good of using an El Salvadoran prison for tattooed bad guys is more important letting out a prisoner in his own country.

Sounds flat-out Nazi, dude.

 

[longview]

Nobody that has a passing awareness of the case has claimed he's a US citizen.

WW

So in an earlier post when someone said, in post #587,

The door is open to US citizens being “disappeared”.

they must have been talking about someone else?

 

[WorldWatcher]

So in an earlier post when someone said, in post #587,

they must have been talking about someone else?

Yes, they are referring to comments made by Trump yesterday that he is open to sending US Citizens to CECOT in El Salvador.

WW

 

[longview]

Yes, they are referring to comments made by Trump yesterday that he is open to sending US Citizens to CECOT in El Salvador.

WW

I think that was a poorly worded question, designed to solicit a certain answer.
Trump is not perfect, by any means.

 

[NolanVoyd]

I believe the president must not only adhere to the Constitution but must also decide what is the greatest good for the greatest number of people.

He is not adhering to the constitution.

he is in defiance of it.

We are in a full blown constitutional crisis.

republicans need to decide which side they are on. Do you support the constitution of the United States of America, or do you support Trump.

You can't have it both ways

 

[jaypatriot]

Because he represents a 180 degree paradigm shift from a Democratic Constitutional Republic to a third world junta.

The true question is why wouldn’t he be to ANYONE that fancies themselves an actual patriot?

Be thankful Trump has given to you and your fellow protesters a cornucopia of gifts to prop all of you up on your moral and ethical high horses.
I've never been likened to someone who supports a third world junta before. That's a new label pinned on me.

 

[ElChupacabra]

I admire your desire to save a single man from the CECOT prison.

It's less about saving one man and more about protecting due process.

I can only wonder how much attention you would paying to this latest Cause Celebre if we were still stuck in Biden's failed immigration morass.

It would be no different because this is about due process. Can you cite which similar cases happened under the Biden administration? I don't recall there being any arrangements with foreign prisons for this kind of thing.

 

[Ikari]

In context...

He was an illegal alien from sometime in 2011 to 2019.

In 2019 he was denied aslyum by Judge Jones and a deportation hold was put in place. Which made him temporarily legal until such time as the Trump Administration processed him for deportation to a 3rd party country IAW 8 USC 1231. The Trump Administration never took that action.

So temporary legal.

WW

"Temporarily legal" and deserving of due process.

 

[jaypatriot]

1. If some people dont have due process, no one has due process.

2. Trump is disobeying the Supreme Court.

Why do Trump supporters hate the Constitution?

3. Trump is now saying he wants to do this to U.S. citizens. Do you agree?

I agree that people to be incarcerated are entitled to due process of the law. What is the Constitutional prohibition of sending convicted criminals to a prison outside of this country? Who gets to decide?
Isn't that the issue you are trying to highlight?

 

[WorldWatcher]

"Temporarily legal" and deserving of due process.

Absolutely.

WW

 

[jaypatriot]

It's less about saving one man and more about protecting due process.


It would be no different because this is about due process. Can you cite which similar cases happened under the Biden administration? I don't recall there being any arrangements with foreign prisons for this kind of thing.

You're right. Garcia should have been given the right of due process. He wasn't. Now someone has to figure out how to release him into his own country. Would that be a safe outcome for Garcia? And on whose authority should he be sent to another country that is not his country? Who gets to decide? Aren't you glad you're not Pam Bondi?

 

[WorldWatcher]

I agree that people to be incarcerated are entitled to due process of the law. What is the Constitutional prohibition of sending convicted criminals to a prison outside of this country? Who gets to decide?
Isn't that the issue you are trying to highlight?

When was Abrego Garcia convicted of a crime?

WW

 

[Jetboogieman]

I agree that people to be incarcerated are entitled to due process of the law. What is the Constitutional prohibition of sending convicted criminals to a prison outside of this country? Who gets to decide?
Isn't that the issue you are trying to highlight?

BuT i DiDnT vOtE fOr TrUmP



But you endorse a plan by him to deport CITIZENS to a penal colony.

The gall of you fascists is unreal.

Just own your Nazism guy.

 

[Ikari]

Absolutely.

WW

And let's not forget that Trump is already talking about shipping US citizens to this death prison.

Trump says he wants to imprison US citizens in El Salvador. That's likely illegal

President Donald Trump keeps talking about sending U.S. citizens who commit violent crimes to prison in El Salvador. But that's likely illegal.

apnews.com

I have no doubt that Trump is eyeing this as a way to get rid of his political dissenters. Of course, MAGAs would cheer it.

 

[jaypatriot]

Indeed as the dangerous dude is a member of MS-13 who has been officially recognized as a terrorist organization. Plus he was here illegally. Those facts alone justify deportation.

Why the left has chose this a hill to die on is quite perplexing..

The Left desperately needs an issue to champion.
In 2020 they had George Floyd to warrant (and forgive) all manner of death and destruction on the streets of our cities. Maybe they can blow this one up into a Constitutional Crisis.
There's probably a team of Soros-funded lawyers working hard to come up with a legal argument not only to get Garcia back to the States but to also make Trump and AG Bondi look bad in the process.

 

[jaypatriot]

BuT i DiDnT vOtE fOr TrUmP



But you endorse a plan by him to deport CITIZENS to a penal colony.

The gall of you fascists is unreal.

Just own your Nazism guy.

Do you enjoy being in the minority admitting you did not vote for Trump? Hey, you and I could be mates in a bar knowing we both did not vote for Trump.
What's wrong with saving tax payer dollars by sending convicted criminals and illegal aliens to a less expensive offshore penal colony?

 

[Roadvirus]

El Salvador’s President Says He Won’t Return Man Who Was Mistakenly Deported​

• Deportations: In an appearance at the White House with President Trump, President Nayib Bukele of El Salvador said his country would not order the return a Maryland man who was mistakenly deported. Mr. Bukele’s visit came as the Trump administration has stepped up its use of a notorious Salvadoran prison to hold migrants deported by the United States.
• Lawsuit: The American Civil Liberties Union filed another lawsuit challenging the Trump administration’s use of a powerful wartime statute to deport Venezuelan immigrants to El Salvador. The lawsuit, brought in Federal District Court in Colorado, was the third of its kind filed in recent days.

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It's almost like El Salvador and our White House are run by a bunch of lawless thugs, who won't do the right thing because it's the right thing.

Makes us speculate whether the Maryland man is still alive.

My guess is he is dead.

 

[jaypatriot]

When was Abrego Garcia convicted of a crime?

WW

He wasn't. He was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
He should not have been sent to El Salvador.
Blame Trump's DOJ for the screwup.

 

[ElChupacabra]

You're right. Garcia should have been given the right of due process. He wasn't. Now someone has to figure out how to release him into his own country.

Actually, no. The "someone" is the US government, since they deported him in error as they have openly admitted. While this whole song and dance number about the US being helpless to do anything is ludicrous, since they are the ones who sent him there and the ones paying El Salvador to detain him and others. If the US doesn't have the political clout to negotiate this with El Salvador, then I guess American diplomatic reach has hit new lows.

Now, if the US is not interested in maintaining Garcia's current immigration status, they can make that case in court after they bring him back. If he is indeed a "terrorist" as claimed by El Salvador's president, then they can try him after his immigration issue is solved in US courts. It's interesting to note that Garcia has no criminal record in El Salvador either, so how its president came to that conclusion is a mystery.

Would that be a safe outcome for Garcia?

What would be a safe outcome for Garcia is for him to be released from prison and flown back to the US. As I noted above, if the government has an actual deportation case to make, then it can do so in the courts.

And on whose authority should he be sent to another country that is not his country?

Good question for this administration, since they've been sending Venezuelans to El Salvador too.

Who gets to decide?

See above.

Aren't you glad you're not Pam Bondi?

Is there a difference? Based on your argument, it doesn't look that way.

 

[Roadvirus]

Trump needs to serve hard time for what he has done. Unlawfully deporting an innocent man is not an official act. Trump CAN and WILL be held accountable for that.

After Trump's term ends (either in 2 or 4 years...whichever comes first, factoring in a possible retake of Congress by the Democrats next year), a lot of lawyers are gonna be plenty busy.

And i wonder how many lawyers Trump will go through.....and how many of those will suffer the Trump/Lawyer version of Kirk's Enterprise/Red Shirts.

 

[WorldWatcher]

He wasn't. He was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
He should not have been sent to El Salvador.
Blame Trump's DOJ for the screwup.

You know what?

I don't blame Trump for the screw up.

He's President and isn't involved with street level enforcement. Mistakes happen, then you correct them. Ensure they don't happen again. I'm fine with that.

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I blame Trump for NOT CORRECTING the mistake. Just tell El Salvador we'll send the plane with a couple of US Marshalls and turn him over to return him to the US. But he won't do that. THAT I blame him for.

WW

 

[ColdHardTruth]

After Trump's term ends (either in 2 or 4 years...whichever comes first, factoring in a possible retake of Congress by the Democrats next year), a lot of lawyers are gonna be plenty busy.

And i wonder how many lawyers Trump will go through.....and how many of those will suffer the Trump/Lawyer version of Kirk's Enterprise/Red Shirts.

Trump is a disease that kills anything he touches. Lawyers should be intelligent enough not to do ANY business with him. Those that do need to be AUTOMATICALLY disbarred.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

What's wrong with saving tax payer dollars by sending convicted criminals and illegal aliens to a less expensive offshore penal colony?

Well, for starters, 75% of the 238 Venezuelan migrants deported to the prison in March 2025 had no apparent U.S. or international criminal record.

If someone is okay with sending people who've committed no crime to a brutal prison, with no hope of release, I'd call that person evil. It's pure evil. There's no other word for it.

https://www.axios.com/2025/04/07/report-migrants-salvadoran-mega-prison-no-record

jaypatriot, these people are not getting out. All of them are going to die in that prison.

Fox News didn't tell you that, did they?

 

[Nickyjo]

You can hardly find a single comment from someone on the left which isn't a meltdown anymore - and the topic of the conversation is almost irrelevant. It has been epic to watch lately.

To prevent further left meltdowns: What would you if President do to correct the mistake that Trump and company admit they made?

 

[W_Heisenberg]

The Left desperately needs an issue to champion.

The issue the Left champions right now is the U.S. Constitution, and Due Process, in particular. You may recall, we fought a war for it, and our most significant wars since then have been to uphold the founding principles of our nation. I wonder how many of your ancestors fought and died for our freedoms today? Would they look kindly at what you're doing now, trampling over the Constitution they fought so hard to protect?

I've always considered myself a moderate, but if defending the Constitution means I am part of the Left, so be it. I'm proud of it. Call me a Leftist all day long. You want to associate me with George Soros? Does Soros love the U.S. Constitution? If he does he is my brother. The only thing I don't understand is why aren't you ashamed of being associated with a political bloc that appears intent on destroying the U.S. Constitution?

What happened to you? When did you grow to hate the U.S. Constitution?