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KidRocks

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Looks like I wasn't the only one angered by Israels massive military overreaction, some of the most promising students and backers of democracy in Egypt and elsewhere in the MiddleEast were deeply alienated by Israel and the United States brutal show of force in Lebanon. This is indeed a setback for the democracy movement that Bush was so proud of.

The Bush administration just can't do anything right and America will have to pay for the consequences for a long, long time. The ramifications of Bush invading Iraq and Israels hostilities against Lebanon will be felt for decades by whomever occupies the White House, not good.

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CAIRO, Egypt - Egypt's best-known democracy movement has switched causes and is now focused on demanding an end to the country's peace treaty with Israel.

The campaign by the Kifaya group is a sign of how the war in Lebanon knocked momentum from democracy efforts and left many reform activists deeply resentful of the United States.

Over the past two years, Washington has made promoting democracy a key part of its Middle East policy. But now reformists accuse Washington of supporting Israel in its offensive against Hezbollah guerrillas, which wreaked widespread destruction in Lebanon.

Edward S. Walker, a former U.S. ambassador to Egypt and Israel, believes Kifaya's new campaign showcases Washington's dilemma as it strives to sell the values of democracy and freedom in a region galvanized for decades by the Arab-Israeli conflict.

"One of the costs of pressing for democracy in the Middle East is the fact that most democratically based Arab parties ... will be hostile to Israel," said Walker, now with the Middle East Institute, a Washington-based think tank.

The Kifaya movement has launched a campaign to collect 1 million signatures on a petition calling for the annulment of Egypt's U.S.-sponsored 1979 peace treaty with Israel.

The move is mainly symbolic, but it highlights the extent of resentment felt by Egyptians toward Israel — and by association, the United States, its main backer...
 
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Well according to those on this board that subscribe to the "With us or against us" Mantra. When are we gonna attack egypt?
 
KidRocks said:
some of the most promising students and backers of democracy in Egypt and elsewhere in the MiddleEast
You forgot to tell us that these students want the complete destruction of Israel.

lol. There is no democracy in Egypt. There is no democracy at all in Arab countries. Just couple of months ago the Egypt authorities arrested some journalists who dare to say something against the regime there.

Egypt is the last country who can teach us
 
The face of Jacob said:
You forgot to tell us that these students want the complete destruction of Israel.

lol. There is no democracy in Egypt. There is no democracy at all in Arab countries. Just couple of months ago the Egypt authorities arrested some journalists who dare to say something against the regime there.

Egypt is the last country who can teach us

Well then I'm sure you'll join the military in the fight against Egypt and the others won't you. Or are you just a chickenhawk?
 
TheNextEra said:
Well then I'm sure you'll join the military in the fight against Egypt and the others won't you. Or are you just a chickenhawk?
Why? Did they attacked me or planed to attack me? How on earth did you came to that silly assumption? Why do you slander my name for nothing by trying to ascribe me a cruel identity?

If they will attack then I'll defend myself.

And please tell me who was the first one who dropped atomics? And this is the reason why you are alive now.
 
The face of Jacob said:
Why? Did they attacked me or planed to attack me? How on earth did you came to that silly assumption? Why do you slander my name for nothing by trying to ascribe me a cruel identity?

If they will attack then I'll defend myself.

And please tell me who was the first one who dropped atomics? And this is the reason why you are alive now.

Like I said you subscribe to the might makes right philosphy. Hence what you said. You want the U.S. policy to rule the world. You even said. The best interests of the U.s. regardless if it is right.

Just because you're afraid to sound pompess, your comments prove the point.
 
TheNextEra said:
Like I said you subscribe to the might makes right philosphy. Hence what you said. You want the U.S. policy to rule the world. You even said. The best interests of the U.s. regardless if it is right.
Well I guess you want the Islamic philosophy to rull the world. I should have know it before.
 
The face of Jacob said:
Well I guess you want the Islamic philosophy to rull the world. I should have know it before.

Funny I've spoken against Ismalic Philosphy, have you spoken against U.S policy? No you haven't Case in point. Thanks for proving me right.
 
The face of Jacob said:
Funny I've spoken about joining the army and attacking Egypt.

Well then , why don't you chicken hawk? Quit talking, start joining then.
 
TheNextEra said:
Funny I've spoken against Ismalic Philosph
Did I spoke about joining the army and attacking Egypt?

I was just talking about the "democracy" in Egypt. Maybe you are the one who want to attack Egypt.
 
The face of Jacob said:
I was just talking about the "democracy" in Egypt. Maybe you are the one who want to attack Egypt.

No, I am fine letting a country run it's people. That is the difference, I don't claim superiorty.

I may disagree with what a country is doing, but that doesn't mean I am willing to attack it over it.
 
TheNextEra said:
No, I am fine letting a country run it's people. That is the difference, I don't claim superiorty.

I may disagree with what a country is doing, but that doesn't mean I am willing to attack it over it.
I didn't say anything about attacking Egypt but I guess for you, every Jew who criticise his neighbours it means that he is going to attack them.

You have a severe problem which cause you to blame other people with things that they never said.

You should see a shrink and you better do it one our before your next silly post!
 
KidRocks said:
Looks like I wasn't the only one angered by Israels massive military overreaction, some of the most promising students and backers of democracy in Egypt and elsewhere in the MiddleEast were deeply alienated by Israel and the United States brutal show of force in Lebanon. This is indeed a setback for the democracy movement that Bush was so proud of.

The Bush administration just can't do anything right and America will have to pay for the consequences for a long, long time. The ramifications of Bush invading Iraq and Israels hostilities against Lebanon will be felt for decades by whomever occupies the White House, not good.
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Here we go again with more pro terrorist bullshit. I guess you would have bombed they with gummy bears? They allowed hezbollah to operate and live in Lebanon so they can deal with it!
 
The face of Jacob said:
You forgot to tell us that these students want the complete destruction of Israel.

lol. There is no democracy in Egypt. There is no democracy at all in Arab countries. Just couple of months ago the Egypt authorities arrested some journalists who dare to say something against the regime there.

Egypt is the last country who can teach us

Of course there is no democracy in Egypt. That is why our government sends people there to be tortured.
 
The face of Jacob said:
You have a severe problem which cause you to blame other people with things that they never said.

Nope that sounds like you ALL THE TIME. Blaming ANYONE ELSE besides Israel for anything. Isarel is PERFECT to you and can do NO WRONG. You are the one that needs to seek counseling.
 
TheNextEra said:
Nope that sounds like you ALL THE TIME. Blaming ANYONE ELSE besides Israel for anything. Isarel is PERFECT to you and can do NO WRONG. You are the one that needs to seek counseling.

Israel did do wrong this time. However, although I cant excuse them for destrying civilian infrastructure, I think I can understand the knee jerk responses they engage in. After all, the Jews went through the holocaust, and the Arab world attemped to eliminate Israel 3 times in the past. Israel may be overreacting sometimes, but I can understand the context which makes them do it. It doesnt make it right, but I do understand.
 
Most Countries were appalled by the (seemingly) over reaction by Israel to the murder by Hizbollah of Israeli troops and the kidnap from Israeli soil of 2 other military men.

So OK, you have got it out of your system by announcing your horror on this platform.

Now I have to assume that you are a reasonable person and are able to understand what provocation means, well perhaps you do not understand.

Israel has been at war continuously ever since it's inception as a nation was countenanced by the United Nations in 1948.

Simply because we in the west do not read about the pinpricks that Israel suffers on a daily basis is no reason to ignore those pinpricks.

By overreacting, Israel has given an extremely sharp and well defined warning to Hizbollah, Syria and Iran that it is no longer prepared to put up with these continued provocations.

In future Hizbollah and indeed any other group of (you would call them freedom fighters) terrorists, that will plan attacks on Israel will need to really think hard about the possible consequences of their actions.

Israel is a nation that wishes to be left in peace, it wishes to be recognized by other nations as having the right to exist.

If this right is given them, then Israel would probably give back to Palestine and Lebanon and Syria any land that Israel currently occupies.

In fact it is against Israel's interest to continue to hold Palestinian land, they want desperately to hand it back to Palestine, as the demographics of Israel are working against the Israeli's with regard to their continuation of occupation in these area's, a fact that Hamas is quite aware of and privately would dearly like Israeli occupation of these territories to continue, albeit all the while openly attacking Israeli policy in continuing the occupation of these area's.

It is an absolute fact that EVERY time Israel has made any kind of concession with regard to the Palestinians they have been kicked in the teeth.

We now have the ridiculous fact that a new Democratically elected Government (Hamas) in the Palestinian state refuses to accept Israel's right to exist and further point blank refuses to accept any agreements made with Israel by a former Palestinian Government.

If this idea were to be common then any and indeed every nation in the entire world could feel it was free to renege on any treaty made with any other country, this my friend would lead to Anarchy throughout the World.
 
danarhea said:
It doesnt make it right, but I do understand.

And that's the key thing. I canm understand why some guy who walks in on his wife cheating on him, kills her and the guy, but the key thing is that doesn't make it right.

The difference is most people think Israel IS RIGHT ALL THE TIME. There is a difference.
 
TheNextEra said:
Nope that sounds like you ALL THE TIME. Blaming ANYONE ELSE besides Israel for anything. Isarel is PERFECT to you and can do NO WRONG. You are the one that needs to seek counseling.
Please tell me where did I say that Israel is perfect? I didn't say that Israel is perfect at all but I got more lovely things to do in 6:44 AM (like eating the breakfast which calling me to eat her) than debating with someone who got a strange tendency to put unspoken words in other people mouths.
 
The face of Jacob said:
Please tell me where did I say that Israel is perfect? I didn't say that Israel is perfect at all but I got more lovely things to do in 6:44 AM (like eating the breakfast which calling me to eat her) than debating with someone who got a strange tendency to put unspoken words in other people mouths.

Please show us one negative thing you have said about Israel's actions, Besides they didn't go far enough. Until then, my point stands.
 
TheNextEra said:
And that's the key thing. I canm understand why some guy who walks in on his wife cheating on him.
We have nutters like in every other country. I don't think its an Israeli policy to kill your traitor wife and her boyfriend.

Lets make a research how many freaks there are in America and how many in Israel.
 
Jesus H Christ people!. Did Israel start the war?
NO!

What the hell don’t you people get?
They (hezbollah) started it then cried when they got their azz beat!

Better yet wht dont you dips go live in Israel for a little spell...
See how fast you changes your mind...
 
cherokee said:
Jesus H Christ people!. Did Israel start the war?
NO!

What the hell don’t you people get?
They (hezbollah) started it then cried when they got their azz beat!

Better yet wht dont you dips go live in Israel for a little spell...
See how fast you changes your mind...

Really how was Israel Created? Who started what?

What's funny is that most people in the U.s. denounce the U.N. now, but are completely acceptant of them creating a country for Israel. Bias? HELL YEAH.
 
The face of Jacob said:
We have nutters like in every other country. I don't think its an Israeli policy to kill your traitor wife and her boyfriend..

No Israel's policy is to bulldozer the terrorists familys home, even though the family may have had NOTHING to do with it. Like I said, you are an apologist for Israel's actions.
 

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