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Edward Snowden... today.

Edward Snowden... today.

  • Hero

    Votes: 36 45.6%

  • Traitor

    Votes: 21 26.6%

  • Somewhere in-between (please elaborate)

    Votes: 22 27.8%
  • Total voters
    79
  • Poll closed .
loader said:
After all, he gave the oath of nondisclosure of proprietary information.
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Just now saw your reply.

And the President also took an office.

“I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. So help me God."

It doesn't sound like the President is preserving, protecting, nor defending the Constitution of the United States. He violated his oath of office.
 
MichaelJR said:
I was raised 3 years ago. What's wrong with being a mason? My lodge is loaded with great people.
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Masons/Freemasons are part of the Illuminati. I know the requirements are that you have to be 18, believe in a supreme being, and have 3 people attest to your character.

JFK warned America about those secret societies. Then they killed him like a day later.

Once you masons reach level 17, you are required to renounce Jesus, and drink goat's blood. Goat being a symbol of the devil.
 
Tothian said:
There is a right to privacy. It's called the 4th Amendment.
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It's a right against unreasonable search and seizure. Not privacy. It's not like the word didn't exist back then, if they meant to use privacy, they would've. They didn't.
 

Still a hero. The sort of Patriot the Republic was founded on.
 
OldWorldOrder said:
It's a right against unreasonable search and seizure. Not privacy. It's not like the word didn't exist back then, if they meant to use privacy, they would've. They didn't.
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But they didn't have digital data and communication. Property, person, papers, and effects covered everything and still does. Just because tech evolved doesn't mean the government assumes all innate control over the new tech.
 

Christians drink the blood of Christ and eat his flesh. No?
 

Awww man, I really want to be a Mason now.
 
Tothian said:
Yes. But that's because Jesus told us to. It's accepting the body of Christ.

People need to accept the body of Christ. Not the body of satan.
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Because he said so? So? What if Satan said to drink goats blood? I mean if we're doing stupid things just because fictional characters told us to...

How about nobody engages in cannibalism? Wouldn't that be better?

Also, do you have a source for your claims about the Masons?
 
he is a hero, but the things he shared were already pretty much known in the world, he just elightened us on the details
 

I don't think he ever took that oath. He worked for Booz Allen, not the US government. He would have signed a non-disclosure...
 
i don't know what to think.

on the one hand he is a hero for revealing the NSA's secrets. Yet i cannot honestly call him a hero because he fled to another country to avoid being caught. if he was proud of what he did, why did he run away instead of allowing himself to be caught?
 

Traitor, straight up no argument about it.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Traitor, straight up no argument about it.
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As you say, nothing, ,absolutely nothing, is more dangerous to a Democracy than truth. :roll:
 

Well said...could not agree more.

And the great thing is that he apparently has a LOT more information that he could release.

I originally thought he was brave and probably a hero...but I was not sure.

Now I am convinced...he is DEFINITELY a hero.

He risked his life, his freedom and blew up his cozy world to help the World see the truth...what is not heroic about that?

And to those who don't think he is a hero...a) the question is rhetorical and b) I don't really care what you think anyway.
 

I really can't blame a guy for not tossing himself on his funeral pyre. What purpose is served by spending the rest of his life in jail? From his perspective he forever be a man without a country and reviled by half of his former countrymen. Assuming his motives were mostly pure that's a pretty serious price to pay in and of itself.

I'm similarly conflicted. Government should be as transparent as possible and when keeping secrets should err on the side of more disclosure and not less, our government pretty much classifies everything. Despite that and despite the fact that I think he's overall done us a service I have a hard time feeling good with a low level guy like him essentially making national security decisions on his own.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Traitor, straight up no argument about it.
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Come on now, don't be so hard on yourself.

Sure, you seem to be for tyranny and a government to have too much power (not to mention the legal ability to murder ANY American it wants to without trial on the whim of the President)...a situation that will probably result in the very fabric of America'a greatness being slowly eroded in the name of cowardly fear.

That sounds traitor-like in terms of betraying all that is good about America and her Constitution.

But I would not call you a traitor.

Misguided, naive and a trained minion maybe.

But NOT a traitor.
 


That is always the most bizarre of all reasoning on this topic.

If George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and the rest were so certain they were right and proud of what they did, why didn't they turn themselves over to the British?

If our cause was SO just in WWII, why didn't our soldiers surrender to the Japan and Germans?

There is NO logic in your message whatsoever.
 
The truth frightens timid people. They don't want the truth. They want to be pacified and cajoled with nice fantasies.
 
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