Pot, this is Kettle, are you black?
Seriously, I was just reading over on the "Obama can play with toy guns" thread where you were holding court on how "liberals this" and "liberals that" with the implied conclusion that liberals are destroying America.
How much contact with liberals have you had?
Being in NJ I have a lot of exposure to liberals. Some of my very best friends are deeply involved in state and municipal liberal politics. I'm liberal on a number of policies and I've voted for a number of Democrats, some fairly liberal Democrats.
Many of them think that the "Pop Tart" gun situation and zero tolerance rules in general are just plain stupid.
One thing I can tell you about "liberals" is that they are not, by any means, one single, homogeneous, unitary group.
No more than "conservatives" or "tea partiers" are one single, homogeneous, unitary group.
When you say "Look at the liberals, look at what they're doing!!!!" you're talking about the few liberals that have real power in government. The old school, institutional liberals, the left wing progressives, the folks that actually have a stake in providing handouts in order to keep themselves in power.
In terms of education you're talking about maybe the educated, pseudo-intellectually elite.
But if you're going to paint with a broad brush in terms of what leadership is doing and where policy is going you can't criticize the other side of the aisle for making the same charges in respect to the Tea Party "establishment".
What does that "establishment" look like?
It's the faaaaaaaaaar right "nutbag" fringe.
The Christine O'Donnell, ''What I believe is irrelevant.", fringe.
The Mark Williams, "[President Obama is a] Indonesian Muslim turned welfare thug.", fringe.
The Carl Paladino, ''There is nothing to be proud of in being a dysfunctional homosexual. That's not how God created us.'', fringe.
The Michele Bachmann, "I will tell you that I had a mother last night come up to me here in Tampa, Florida, after the debate. She told me that her little daughter took that vaccine, that injection, and she suffered from mental retardation thereafter.", fringe.
You don't think people looking at that kind of stone-cold crazy can draw generalizations about the Tea Parties too?
Come on man, apply the same standard to others that you apply to yourself.
Or better yet, raise your game.
I'm happy to see that you have taken interest in my posts, even in other threads. Perhaps you'll learn something.
Let's clear something up real quick, the tea party isn't "fringe", or "farrrrrr right". I'll be happy to go line by line through ANY tea party charter, and ask you what is not "mainstream" about them, or what is "fringe" beliefs.
Here, I'll use a few, then I'm going to illustrate the difference between tea partiers, and leftists/progressives. Because the two aren't even in the same galaxy.
Tell me what is "fringe", "radical", or "far right" about the following:
1. Limited government
2. Less government spending
3. Lower taxes
4. Opposition to single payer health care system
5. Pro Life
6. Pro immigration, yet anti ILLEGAL immigration
7. Constitutional integrity
8. Personal responsibility
9. Pro term limits
What is so "radical" or "fringe" about any of those issues? Tell me.....Because I don't see ANYTHING "fringe" about those issues or stances. Fact is, liberals think that JUST BECAUSE THEY SAY SOMETHING, IT'S TRUE. Soooo, if they say enough times that tea partiers are "fringe, kook, radicals", then it becomes their truth. I'm sure you truly believe tea partiers are radical kooks, the right "fringe". But just because the left has repeated it a million plus times, doesn't make it true. Just because the people at NBC agree with you, doesn't make it true.
Now, let's discuss one of the main differences in the tea party, and the progressive left.....
1. The Tea Party's goal is to MAINTAIN elements of American society, law, and politics. To PRESERVE Constitutional integrity for instance. The precise opposite is true of Progressive leftists. They don't like the Constitution necessarily. Progressives look upon the Constitution as "a charter of negative liberties". Now, those are also OBAMA'S OWN WORDS. He said that about the Constitution. Progressives are always trying to CHANGE the Constitution, or find ways around parts of the Constitution they don't like, like the 2nd amendment. Progressives by and large believe the Constitution tells government what it CANT do, but doesn't stipulate what it CAN do, so they push the Constitutional boundaries all the time. They believe the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties, whereas the TEA PARTY believes the Constitution is intended to LIMIT government and their authority.
2. Tea party conservatives are by and large pro life. The exact opposite is true of the progressive left. To the point that they support abortion at any and all stages of pregnancy. What is more radical, protecting life from conception, or protecting the practice of ending life, even partially born outside a woman's womb? You tell me which is more "mainstream", and which mentality or philosophy is the "fringe" in our society. Because I can tell you, FAR more people are pro life than people who agree with partial birth abortion, or late term abortion. FAR MORE. So, who's fringe and who's not?
3. Tea Party conservatives believe in limited government, less spending, and lower taxes. What's fringe about that? The progressive left is precisely opposite. They espouse philosophies of larger and more centralized government, higher spending, and higher taxes, more entitlement spending, and larger more invasive government programs. Every single year, our country spends more money than the year before to address issues like poverty. But look at the results. Today, there are more people living in poverty than the year before, and more that year than the year before that, despite increasing spending dramatically. Doesn't work does it? If you say, "yes it does", you'd be a fool, and I would accuse you of ignorance, and rightfully so.
4. Tea Partiers believe in LEGAL immigration, while the progressive left believes illegal immigrants should be rewarded with amnesty. I mean, think about this issue. So, all these amnesty groups, like La Raza, organize and protest people's businesses and private homes. They threaten and intimidate politicians, like the Kansas Secretary of State, march on their personal homes, protest with bull horns, DEMANDING amnesty. So, they break the law to get here, they trespass on private property, not respecting the rights of Americans, then they have the audacity to DEMAND our country grant them amnesty with no strings attached? And this is what the progressive left supports. So, What message does THAT send? It says to immigrants world wide, "come to America, protest, threaten, break the law, and DEMAND they capitulate to you, and they will".
I could go all day. The first lie you told was that the tea party is somehow "fringe" or "farrrr right". They're not. Which is why I asked if yall have ever been to a tea party rally.