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Scarecrow Akhbar said:The article fails to address the costs of running away.
That will have to include:
The inevitability of a civil war in Iraq, something that has a very strong potential to expand into a major regional conflict. Can anyone outhere estimate the cost to America when the Middle Easter oil fields are destroyed?
There's the cost of painting the double yellow stripe across the American flag. The emotional scars from our forced abandonment of Vietnam almost cost us the Cold War. Our cowardly treatment of Vietnam encouraged the Soviet Union to steal Afghanistan, with known results.
American travellers will be at even greater risk when criminals in other countries know the United States is afraid of acting against them. American international assets will be at increased risk for the same reason. The perception of America as weak will also lead to increased pressure to vacate overseas bases, with a further erosion of power. That cost, too, is not included in that study.
Certainly the knowledge that the US lacks the guts to stand up for it's principles will embolden peace loving states like China to push the boundaries of it's own sphere against ours.
Can anyone name a definitely good thing ("good" = advantageous to the US) to come out of running away from Iraq with turds dropping out of our pants cuffs?
Scarecrow Akhbar said:The article fails to address the costs of running away.
That will have to include:
The inevitability of a civil war in Iraq, something that has a very strong potential to expand into a major regional conflict. Can anyone outhere estimate the cost to America when the Middle Easter oil fields are destroyed?
There's the cost of painting the double yellow stripe across the American flag. The emotional scars from our forced abandonment of Vietnam almost cost us the Cold War. Our cowardly treatment of Vietnam encouraged the Soviet Union to steal Afghanistan, with known results.
American travellers will be at even greater risk when criminals in other countries know the United States is afraid of acting against them. American international assets will be at increased risk for the same reason. The perception of America as weak will also lead to increased pressure to vacate overseas bases, with a further erosion of power. That cost, too, is not included in that study.
Certainly the knowledge that the US lacks the guts to stand up for it's principles will embolden peace loving states like China to push the boundaries of it's own sphere against ours.
Can anyone name a definitely good thing ("good" = advantageous to the US) to come out of running away from Iraq with turds dropping out of our pants cuffs?
SouthernDemocrat said:You seem to be operating out of the assumptions that:
1. Civil War in Iraq is not highly likely even if we do stay.
2. Our staying in Iraq will result in a complete success.
Maybe that will be the case, and maybe not. However, either way it’s a lot of wishful thinking.
Scarecrow Akhbar said:I'm operating on the assumption that a thinking person knows that civil war is inevitable if we leave, but that it may be avoided if we stay.
Given this assumption, is it moral to leave? No.
I don't know what a "complete success" means. Our complete success in Germany has led those ungrateful pigs to simultaneously villify the US in their petty local elections and cry loudly at any suggestion that the US might vacate now unnecessary bases in Germany. IMO, if they don't like us, they don't need our GI dollars. Perhaps we can send a bill for their share of what it cost US to protect them from Russia in the Cold War?
Iraq could easily turn out the same way, of course.
SouthernDemocrat said:Preemptive war by definition is immoral.
SouthernDemocrat said:This would be especially true from a Christian perspective.
SouthernDemocrat said:Arguably, Iraq for all intents and purposes is in a state of civil war right now.
SouthernDemocrat said:Complete success would be whether we meet the objectives we originally laid out.
Scarecrow Akhbar said:Don't be silly. If we know Canada was planning on invading, we'd be perfectly justified in attacking them first to prevent harm to ourselves.
Glad I'm not a Christian. My thinking's not clouded. I'm perfectly content with the notion that what matters is getting the bad guy before he gets you. Which way he's facing when the bullet goes through him is irrelevant.
Perhaps. But nothing like it would definitely be if we up and ran away like the Surrender Monkey's want us to do.
Anyone remember what those were?
SouthernDemocrat said:Iraq was about to attack us? Wow, maybe you should let the president know. That information would really help him in the polls.:lol:
Scarecrow Akhbar said:Maybe you could spend time learning to distinguish the general from the specific? The generals where the stars.
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