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Dying US Senator apologizes for Trump's Islamaphobia

shrubnose said:
What do you think that someone like Trump who would like to keep all Muslims from entering the USA is?

Fill us in.
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I think that a temporary ban, until this can be figured out, might not necessarily be a bad thing, and it is certainly cautious about legitimate security concerns. It's not Islamophobia when it's radical Muslims who are doing the bombing and killing.

Whether or not it is realistically feasible, to temporarily ban all Muslims from entering the country, isn't that yet to be determined?
 
coldjoint said:
Why don't we start with these.

Islam: The Politically Incorrect Truth
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The Muslims are nothing compared to the history of the U.S.

A Short History Of U.S. Government Respect For Human Life
A SHORT HISTORY OF US GOVERNMENT RESPECT FOR HUMAN LIFE

The Media & Me
The Radiation Story No One Would Touch
By Geoffrey Sea
March 1994
March/April 1994

In the 1950's, the Eastman Kodak Company had threatened a federal lawsuit over the nuclear fallout resulting from a total of 235 above-ground bomb tests that was fogging Kodak's bulk film shipments. Film was not packed in bubble wrap then, but in corn stalks that were being contaminated by nuclear fallout.
As a result of the threatened lawsuit, the U.S. government chose to warn the photographic film industry about the radioactive fallout patterns in advance, but not the general public.

Human medical experimentation in the United States: The shocking true history of modern medicine and psychiatry (1833-2005)
By Dani Veracity
March 06, 2006
Human medical experimentation in the United States: The shocking true history of modern medicine and psychiatry (1833-1965) - NaturalNews.com

French bread spiked with LSD in CIA experiment
A 50-year mystery over the 'cursed bread' of Pont-Saint-Esprit, which left residents suffering hallucinations, has been solved after a writer discovered the US had spiked the bread with LSD as part of an experiment.
By Henry Samuel
March 11, 2010
French bread spiked with LSD in CIA experiment - Telegraph

Medical Apartheid: The Dark History of Medical Experimentation on Black Americans from Colonial Times to the Present
Democracy Now
Hosts Amy Goodman and Juan Gonzalez interview Harriet Washington
January 19, 2007
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/19/1432231

The Deadly Deception
For four decades, 400 African American men from Macon, Alabama were unwitting participants in a government study of untreated syphilis. NOVA tells the story of this notorious human experiment.
WGBH Boston - Nova
January 26, 1993
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Evers'_Boys

Exposed: US Doctors Secretly Infected Hundreds of Guatemalans with Syphilis in the 1940s
Democracy Now
Host Amy Goodman interviews Susan M. Reverby
October 05, 2010
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/10/5/exposed_us_doctors_secretly_infected_hundreds

Questions and Answers on North Carolina Eugenics
NC Justice for Sterilization Victims Foundation
From 1929 until 1974, an estimated 7,600 North Carolinians, women and men, many of whom were poor, undereducated, institutionalized, sick or disabled, were sterilized by choice, force or coercion under the authorization of the North Carolina Eugenics Board program.
December 09, 2011
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/10/u...-forced-sterilizations-in-north-carolina.html

Charles Goethe wrote to Gosney in a letter from 1934:
"You will be interested to know that your work has played a powerful part in shaping the opinions of the group of intellectuals who are behind Hitler in this epoch-making program. Everywhere I sensed that their opinions have been tremendously stimulated by American thought and particularly by the work of the Human Betterment Foundation. I want you, my dear friend, to carry this thought with you for the rest of your life, that you have really jolted into action a great government of 60 million people."
--Edwin Black, Eugenics and the Nazis -- the California connection, November 09, 2003--

Plutonium Files: How the U.S. Secretly Fed Radioactivity to Thousands of Americans
May 05, 2004
http://www.democracynow.org/2004/5/5/plutonium_files_how_the_u_s

I could give you many more examples, but don't want to bore you.

Calm
 
calm said:
The Muslims are nothing compared to the history of the U.S.



These figures are a rough estimate of the death of non-Muslims by the political act of jihad.

Africa
Thomas Sowell [Thomas Sowell, Race and Culture, BasicBooks, 1994, p. 188] estimates that 11 million slaves were shipped across the Atlantic and 14 million were sent to the Islamic nations of North Africa and the Middle East. For every slave captured many others died. Estimates of this collateral damage vary. The renowned missionary David Livingstone estimated that for every slave who reached a plantation, five others were killed in the initial raid or died of illness and privation on the forced march.[Woman’s Presbyterian Board of Missions, David Livingstone, p. 62, 1888] Those who were left behind were the very young, the weak, the sick and the old. These soon died since the main providers had been killed or enslaved. So, for 25 million slaves delivered to the market, we have an estimated death of about 120 million people. Islam ran the wholesale slave trade in Africa.
120 million Africans

Christians
The number of Christians martyred by Islam is 9 million [David B. Barrett, Todd M. Johnson, World Christian Trends AD 30-AD 2200, William Carey Library, 2001, p. 230, table 4-10] . A rough estimate by Raphael Moore in History of Asia Minor is that another 50 million died in wars by jihad. So counting the million African Christians killed in the 20th century we have:
60 million Christians

Hindus
Koenard Elst in Negationism in India gives an estimate of 80 million Hindus killed in the total jihad against India. [Koenard Elst, Negationism in India, Voice of India, New Delhi, 2002, pg. 34.] The country of India today is only half the size of ancient India, due to jihad. The mountains near India are called the Hindu Kush, meaning the “funeral pyre of the Hindus.”
80 million Hindus

Buddhists
Buddhists do not keep up with the history of war. Keep in mind that in jihad only Christians and Jews were allowed to survive as dhimmis (servants to Islam) everyone else had to convert or die. Jihad killed the Buddhists in Turkey, Afghanistan, along the Silk Route, and in India. The total is roughly 10 million. [David B. Barrett, Todd M. Johnson, World Christian Trends AD 30-AD 2200, William Carey Library, 2001, p. 230, table 4-1.] 10 million Buddhists

Jews
Oddly enough there were not enough Jews killed in jihad to significantly affect the totals of the Great Annihilation. The jihad in Arabia was 100 percent effective, but the numbers were in the thousands, not millions. After that, the Jews submitted and became the dhimmis (servants and second class citizens) of Islam and did not have geographic political power.

This gives a rough estimate of 270 million killed by jihad.
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https://www.politicalislam.com/tears-of-jihad/
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I think the earliest time I referenced was around 1930 ..... You almost had to go back as far as the dinosoars.

I guess I could of started with the American Indian holocaust?

Calm
 
calm said:
The Muslims are nothing compared to the history of the U.S.
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That's a stupid position to take.

Even if it's true, and I'm not going to even bother reading you links in order to assess how much truth there might actually be to your position, it leaves you with two insurmountable problems:

1. You're not going to find a candidate who plans on temporarily keeping Americans out of the U.S. until we can vet them for knuckleheaded leanings so your point is irrelevant.

2. Even if Americans are worse than Muslims it doesn't do anything to change the fact that some Muslims are really bad news and you'd have to be an idiot to not want to keep the bad ones out.

Americans are a problem that we probably can't do anything about but radical Islamists are a problem we can address.

Why wouldn't we try to find a solution to the problem that maybe we can solve just because a different problem exists that we most likely can't solve?

Again, just a stupid comment.
 
calm said:
I think the earliest time I referenced was around 1930 ..... You almost had to go back as far as the dinosoars.

I guess I could of started with the American Indian holocaust?

Calm
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Which one? When the Clovis wiped out the first folks over the land bridge? Or when the tribes wiped out the Clovis people? Or perhaps you're skipping forward to the plague blankets passed out by the British.

Name a modern nation that isn't run by the people that displaced the previous occupants.
 
calm said:
I think the earliest time I referenced was around 1930 ..... You almost had to go back as far as the dinosoars.

I guess I could of started with the American Indian holocaust?

Calm
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None of that compares to what Socialist have done over the last 100 years.
 
coldjoint said:
Only Trump can apologize for Trump. And accusations of Islamophobia is only used to stop criticism of Islam. And there is plenty of real concerns about Islam that have nothing to do with irrational fear.
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And there are plenty of paranoid delusions about Islam that have nothing to do with reality and everything to do with cowardice and ignorance.

Trump is a xenophobic, self-centered pig...period.

The fact you back the guy speaks volumes about you.


Good day.
 
DA60 said:
And there are plenty of paranoid delusions about Islam that have nothing to do with reality and everything to do with cowardice and ignorance.

Trump is a xenophobic, self-centered pig...period.

The fact you back the guy speaks volumes about you.















Good day.
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Another one? What is with people who insist Islam is just another culture. Time and time again it has shown itself to be intolerant and violent.

Facts scare you, don't they?
 
calm said:
I think the earliest time I referenced was around 1930 ..... You almost had to go back as far as the dinosoars.

I guess I could of started with the American Indian holocaust?

Calm
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I guess we could move to the present and talk about the Christian genocide in the ME and North Africa.
 
I wonder what epistemology one can use to determine what Trump thinks. It would be a Discourse on the Method of Rightly Conducting One's Reason and of Seeking Truth on Cable TV.
 
And .... the incidences I listed was when "America Was Killing It's Own People" .... Their own fellow citizens and patriots!

Which is the identical thing that America is bad-mouthing President Assad of Syria for.

Calm
 
kanabco said:
Dying US Senator apologizes for Trump's Islamaphobia

Dying GOP Senator Apologizes to Muslims for Donald Trump - The Daily Beast
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I liked Bennett. It was a sad day when his party replaced him with tea party extremist, Mike Lee.

But I think Bennett's anti-Trump sentiments is rooted in his religion....

Bennett’s Mormon faith also played into his beliefs on Trump and Muslims: the billionaire’s proposal to ban Muslims prompted the LDS Church to issue a statement in support of religious freedom, quoting its founder saying he would “die in defending the rights… of any denomination who may be unpopular and too weak to defend themselves.”


“That was something my father felt very keenly—recognizing the parallel between the Mormon experience and the Muslim experience. [He] wanted to see these people treated with kindness, and not ostracized,” Jim Bennett said..."
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If there's one thing Mormon's understand better than most...it's religious freedom.
 
d0gbreath said:
Not bad. You get a gold star!

What do you think about Cat Stevens being removed from an airplane flight? His birth name was Steven Demetre Georgiou. Now he's converted to Islam and goes by Yusuf Islam. He has the prerequisite beard, hat, and robe.

Did the young TSA agents just not know who he is?

I'm being followed by a Moon Shadow.
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One of the truly great singer-songwriters of the last 50 years but he sort of went whacko and called for the murder of Rushdie. Sounds like he has terrorist proclivities.
 
clownboy said:
Which one? When the Clovis wiped out the first folks over the land bridge? Or when the tribes wiped out the Clovis people? Or perhaps you're skipping forward to the plague blankets passed out by the British.

Name a modern nation that isn't run by the people that displaced the previous occupants.
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China? Japan?
 
soot said:
He doesn't want to keep all Muslims from entering the U.S.

He wants to keep Muslims from entering until we have a reliable means of vetting the people we allow in to this country
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Come on man, there are plenty of members of this community who don't have two brain cells to rub together but I know from reading your comments for years that you're not among them.

I know that you're smart enough to see the difference between banning Muslim immigration totally and forever simply out of hatred for Muslims, which I would agree is Islamophobic, and limiting Muslim immigrants temporarily until we're able to devise some method of ensuring, to some reasonable degree of certainty, that the people we're admitting in to the country don't pose some sort of a threat, which seems to me to be a fairly reasonable position given that we've been at war with radical Islam for the better part of two decades.
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It looks like you and I pretty much agree.

I see someone who blames all members of an ethnic or religious group for something that some members of that group do as a bigot.
 
CanadaJohn said:
A dying man, on his death bed, should apologize for his own personal sins, not the sinfulness he perceives in others. And as for apologizing on behalf of the Republican Party, the Republican Party may have many things to apologize for, but the rantings of Donald Trump is not one of them.
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The Republican brand has an image problem. I'm grateful to Senator Bennett's efforts to help.
 
eohrnberger said:
I think that a temporary ban, until this can be figured out, might not necessarily be a bad thing, and it is certainly cautious about legitimate security concerns. It's not Islamophobia when it's radical Muslims who are doing the bombing and killing.

Whether or not it is realistically feasible,
to temporarily ban all Muslims from entering the country, isn't that yet to be determined?
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That would violate the U.S. Constitution and it's not going to happen anytime soon.
 
shrubnose said:
That would violate the U.S. Constitution and it's not going to happen anytime soon.
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How would this violate the Constitution? Controlling who enters the nation, cross the national border, would seem to be pretty reasonable.
 
JANFU said:
China? Japan?
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The current people of Japan wiped out the natives of the islands. Today's Japanese are genetically the same as Koreans.

China is actually 12 or some say 13 nations, with some 80 plus recognized dialects. It has moved from empire to empire to empire beginning with the Mongol Khans. For years what is now the "Cantonese dialect" was the official language of all of China, and finally to the Mandarins, who are actually a minority, but who managed to put their stamp on the entire empire in every way, from money and the way to count to governance to the official language.

One of the first acts of Mao's triumph was to re-install the Mandarins to run everything, thus continuing centuries of what we call bribery and corruption. So in a way, China has been over run several times
 
eohrnberger said:
How would this violate the Constitution? Controlling who enters the nation, cross the national border, would seem to be pretty reasonable.
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There are several precedents of restricting or barring certain peoples, the last of which I believe was James Earl Carter in the Iranian embassy crisis. I doubt there is anything illegal about it, and my understanding of the US constitution is that he could probably do it with his pen and his phone.

It would, though, be just about the stupidest foreign policy move since the Bay of Pigs or maybe giving safe haven to the Shah. First it will be seen as radicalism and reactivism on the world stage and underscore the image of Trump as unstable.

Second it will be seen as a great victory by terrorists, that their continued actions even in the face of having the **** bombed out of them, that the "Great Satan" must ban all of their faith, whether they be doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc. The better for them, more anger and reaction fed to the sympathetic. Think about a 15 yr old Muslim kid tired of being ragged in school and sees this kind of across-the-board discrimination, and wonder how domestic terrorism happens.
 
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