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Gibberish said:I agree also.
My high school did not go as far as a uniform but there were limitations on what could be worn and if that clothing was worn then the student would have to change into full gym attire.
The security at school could check any student at random through a number of tests (example: have a boy take off his belt and walk 20 feet and come back. If his pants fell down he had to put on gym clothing). This gave the kids the freedom to express there personality through their clothing but would eliminate the disrespectful, or sexual clothing.
Parents should be brought in as part of the new policy as to not buy their children these clothes and allow them to come to school in clothes that are not allowed. Though I am aware this is not always the case as kids tend to change clothing after leaving home.
As for the NBA. These are grown men and should be treated as such. Yes they are role models but so are music artists and actors. Are we going to limit what music artists can wear, and what actors can and cannot wear in life and/or in movies or TV?
AlbqOwl said:The schools maintained a strict dress code including allowable length of hair for the boys, no jeans, shirts tucked in, girls in dresses or skirts no shorter than just below the knee, blouses tucked in - sweaters could be worn without tucking in. We never questioned it and when the code was relaxed enough that boys and girls could wear jean on Fridays, it felt wierd for a long time. And it is indisputable that young people who are 'dressed up' tend to behave differently than they do when they are in well worn jeans and cut off tees
AlbqOwl said:In the business world, the dress code was the most strict and failure to keep it was grounds for dismissal. The motto was that the one who dresses professionally will behave professionally and will be respected as a professional. Eventually the code was relaxed to make it allowable for women to wear professionally tailored pant suits in lieu of skirts or dresses but again it felt really wierd to wear them for a long time.
AlbqOwl said:So how is it different for the NBA? It is a business after all. If the desired image is successful professionals who are a positive influence in their community and in the world of sports and entertainment, how does 'gang banger' attire affect that? Do they make better role models conforming to the hiphop culture they may have evolved from? Or do they make better role models emulating honorable success and professionalism?
Or should NBA players be expected to be role models at all?
Gibberish said:So during this time of dress codes there were no disagreements, gangs, or social groups among the students? Or are you saying that because of the dress code students do not act how they do today. There actions today have nothing to do with there upbringing, music, or movies, but directly effected by the dressing of their role models?
The way people dress changes by decade so what we tell people to wear today will be pointless in twenty years because the "gang-related" clothing will be totally different. If this was done in the early eighties they could have said "No tight pants, no adidas without laces, and no big gold chain jewelry".
In my mutli-cultural, multi-racial highschool--the anglos were in the minority--there were different groups generally divided into the jocks, nerds, stomps (cowboy boots and hats), and pachucos, a sort of street gang distinguished by their walk (lead with pelvis in long strides with arms hung straight down behind.) Everybody had to adhere to the dress code, however, though the differences as described distinguished the different groups. Our clothing, our music, and our slang was all different from our parents, but it was a time when teachers could still demand respect, enforce discipline, and our value system was not different from that of our parents. Of course there were disagreements, but they were not acted out at school in any significant way.
Even then however, when we were dressed in our casual after school clothes, our behavior was markedly different than when we were 'dressed up' for school or church or whatever. And band and choir members and sports teams were required to dress up when traveling too.
It was not so much what we wore, but that we understood that we represented our school and we were to represent it in a positive way. That did translate into better work ethic and a better understanding of how to present a good image later on I think.
I personally feel more professional wearing business attire. Though at my current job it is not required unless a client is coming into the office (which we always have notice of before hand). One reason of the more casual wear in my office is because of fitness.
Check out this article:
http://www.acefitness.org/getfit/casualclothesstudy.aspx
I also feel more professional in business attire. I don't always dress up to work because I work out of a home office and I sometimes wear the sweats from the morning workout right to my desk. But when I meet with the public I am representing a client and my own business, and I want that to present a very favorable image. I dress up. This is something adults should be teaching the kids as well.
They are role models if they or we want them to be or not. Even if they do not have the intellect or character that is needed to be an acceptable role model.
gwynn said:As far as the NBA situation goes, if the head office wants to impose a dress code or uniform that's fine. Most employees have some sort of dress code at work, so I see no reason why they should differ.
Schools to me are a slightly different situation, mainly because you are not an employee. I do think some limits are appropriate ( eg, must wear a shirt, no profane/racist slogans etc.), but very strict limitations need not be applied.
gwynn said:As far as the NBA situation goes, if the head office wants to impose a dress code or uniform that's fine. Most employees have some sort of dress code at work, so I see no reason why they should differ.
Schools to me are a slightly different situation, mainly because you are not an employee. I do think some limits are appropriate ( eg, must wear a shirt, no profane/racist slogans etc.), but very strict limitations need not be applied.
TurtleDude said:absolutely true. A public school can be seen as a state agent. However juveniles have traditionally been afforded less "rights" than adults and the Courts have consistently upheld that. The NBA appears to be making employment area rules and that does not invoke any constitutional issues
debate_junkie said:Here's the thing.. David Stern has gotten himself into a catch 22. While, he, as the employer has the right to impose a dress code, and I would agree with him doing so IF he hadn't so heavily marketed the NBA to the hip hop culture, and now all of a sudden is crying foul when it's running rampant throughout the league, and in the stands. Isn't this what he wanted? His marketing team did this. Hell, can you get anymore hip hop when the Black Eyed Peas "Let's Get It Started" is the theme for the NBA finals, and they appear in every advertisement for it? I would think not. MOST of the players come from this culture, and he made it a place of comfort for them, and for the fans. And now he wants professionalism? Can't have it both ways, David. Just can't.
The controversies surrounding Bill Cosby should force more black leaders to decide whether their top priority is protecting the image of blacks or promoting the future of blacks, especially the younger generation.
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