Dow Jones down 400 points on trade fears after Chinese tech exec's arrest

[Atomic Kid]

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/dow-jones-400-points-trade-fears-chinese-tech/story?id=59649872

he Dow Jones Industrial Average fell nearly 400 points Thursday morning, or 1.5 percent, extending the week's losses after a Chinese telecom executive was arrested in Canada on behalf of the U.S., stoking growing fears about trade tensions with China. Both the Nasdaq and S&P 500 were also trading lower.

Markets were closed Wednesday for a federal holiday in honor of the late President George H.W. Bush.

Canadian authorities on Wednesday arrested Huawei CFO Meng Wanzhou over the weekend. Huawei is the largest telecommunication equipment company and the world's second largest smartphone maker behind Samsung. Wanzhou is the founder's daughter and heir apparent.

Huawei is one example of what the Trump Administration is targeting in its trade dispute with China. It receives preferential treatment and is heavily subsidized by the Chinese government while purchasing technology from U.S. companies like Qualcomm.
The move by the U.S. is related to concerns that Beijing could be using Huawei's technology to spy on Americans. The Justice Department also believes Huawei is violating U.S. sanctions against Iran because of the American components inside its products.

Doubts over a trade deal with China contributed to the Dow's drop of 800 points on Tuesday.

President Trump had tweeted over the weekend that a deal had been reached. But his administration could not provide any details, stoking market concerns about the overall economy.

As of the time of this post the market is down about 700 points. The timing of this seems pretty odd given the optimism that was being expressed by the administration for improving trade relations with China after the G20 get together in Argentina. Looks like that's all shot to hell now. Gotta wonder who's making these decisions and if they are being coordinated in any manner so as to form a coherent and consistent foreign and economic policy.

 

[Bucky]

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As of the time of this post the market is down about 700 points. The timing of this seems pretty odd given optimism that was being expressed by the administration for improving trade relations with China after the G20 get together in Argentina. Looks like that's all shot to hell now. Gotta wonder who's making decisions and if they are being coordinated in any manner so as to form a coherent and consistent foreign and economic policy.

Eighty percent of the daily moves in U.S. stocks are machine-led, a fund manager told CNBC on Wednesday.

The phenomenon, also called algorithm or algo trading, refers to market transactions that use advanced mathematical models to make high-speed trading decisions.

Many believe that the different sell-off episodes seen throughout 2018 were caused by these machines, as they act on immediate data releases, without taking the time to digest them as humans would.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/05/sel...80percent-of-us-stocks-fund-manager-says.html

This two-day sell off imo is based on algo trading.

 

[Atomic Kid]

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/05/sel...80percent-of-us-stocks-fund-manager-says.html

This two-day sell off imo is based on algo trading.

Hardly think so. This high profile arrest I'm sure has Wall Street shook that the US/China trade relationship is about to get a whole lot worse. You can probably expect that the European and Asian markets will reflect this same concern as well.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

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.....President Trump had tweeted over the weekend that a deal had been reached. But his administration could not provide any details, stoking market concerns about the overall economy.

As of the time of this post the market is down about 700 points. The timing of this seems pretty odd given the optimism that was being expressed by the administration for improving trade relations with China after the G20 get together in Argentina. Looks like that's all shot to hell now. Gotta wonder who's making these decisions and if they are being coordinated in any manner so as to form a coherent and consistent foreign and economic policy.

While I think this is just a blip keyed off of Trump's false tweet, but it will blow over.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

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As of the time of this post the market is down about 700 points. The timing of this seems pretty odd given the optimism that was being expressed by the administration for improving trade relations with China after the G20 get together in Argentina. Looks like that's all shot to hell now. Gotta wonder who's making these decisions and if they are being coordinated in any manner so as to form a coherent and consistent foreign and economic policy.

OFFICIAL LINE

Since it was the Canadians who arrested the man, the drop in the stock market has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Mr. Trump.

[Do NOT mention the source of the request for the arrest.]

END OFFICIAL LINE

 

[NeverTrump]

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As of the time of this post the market is down about 700 points. The timing of this seems pretty odd given the optimism that was being expressed by the administration for improving trade relations with China after the G20 get together in Argentina. Looks like that's all shot to hell now. Gotta wonder who's making these decisions and if they are being coordinated in any manner so as to form a coherent and consistent foreign and economic policy.

They don't know why but it's not Trump's fault- Trump supporting co-workers on stock market crashing...

 

[Atomic Kid]

While I think this is just a blip keyed off of Trump's false tweet, but it will blow over.

Do you think the Chinese are going to take that arrest lightly?

 

[iguanaman]

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As of the time of this post the market is down about 700 points. The timing of this seems pretty odd given the optimism that was being expressed by the administration for improving trade relations with China after the G20 get together in Argentina. Looks like that's all shot to hell now. Gotta wonder who's making these decisions and if they are being coordinated in any manner so as to form a coherent and consistent foreign and economic policy.

This is the result of a President with serious questions about his competence. No sane person can believe a word he says either.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Do you think the Chinese are going to take that arrest lightly?

What do you think they'll do about it? Cut off trade relations? Start WWIII?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/china-calls-release-huawei-executive-detained-canada-n944666

 

[Atomic Kid]

What do you think they'll do about it? Cut off trade relations? Start WWIII?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/china-calls-release-huawei-executive-detained-canada-n944666

I think they're likely to take a hard line in this and other matters and that this current economic tariff/cold war is likely to continue long term which is sure to send ripples that will be felt throughout the world economy as it could hit global technology supply train hard. And if you are a US executive how secure would you feel about traveling to or near China now?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I think they're likely to take a hard line in this and other matters and that this current economic tariff/cold war is likely to continue long term which is sure to send ripples that will be felt throughout the world economy as it could hit global technology supply train hard. And if you are a US executive how secure would you feel about traveling to or near China now?

Great. So trade war it is. Should be interesting.

 

[Atomic Kid]

Great. So trade war it is. Should be interesting.

Be careful what you wish for. Both sides generally lose in a trade war. One possible byproduct of that would be rising interest rates and an inversion of the yield curve. Of which we just recently had our first incidence of since 2008. Inversion of the yield curve widely seen as an leading indicator of an impending recession or even depression. And be aware that have been instances in history where trade wars have turned into actual shooting wars because what usually happens is that we fail to see the tipping point until it's too late.

 

[Hatuey]

Yeah, but who cares about wall street? Lol.

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[Dutch Uncle]

Be careful what you wish for. Both sides generally lose in a trade war. One possible byproduct of that would be rising interest rates and an inversion of the yield curve. Of which we just recently had our first incidence of since 2008. Inversion of the yield curve widely seen as an leading indicator of an impending recession or even depression. And be aware that have been instances in history where trade wars have turned into actual shooting wars because what usually happens is that we fail to see the tipping point until it's too late.

You're the one waving the flag warning of a trade war. Am I mistaken? Are you not waving the Red, White and Blue but are, instead, waving the French surrender monkey flag? Please explain what you think should be done.

 

[Atomic Kid]

You're the one waving the flag warning of a trade war. Am I mistaken? Are you not waving the Red, White and Blue but are, instead, waving the French surrender monkey flag? Please explain what you think should be done.

Yes. you are mistaken. I'm in favor of not doing things that have been historically proven not to work. Trump's "America First" policy assumes that as the world’s dominant actor, the United States, can behave freely and independently in trade and it assumes the U.S. can act unilaterally without consequences. Unfortunately America’s top economic position doesn’t shield it from the dire consequences that unilateral trade policy can provoke. You want to know where the real surrendering is taking place? In surrendering America's place at the table in multilateral trade agreements, such the Trans-Pacific and international trade and banking institutions. We are withdrawing from the international trade system the U.S. helped create, one based on open markets and classically liberal principles. And it is under threat as never before. Yet President Trump’s “America First” approach is a total abdication of the traditional U.S. role as its defender.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Yes. you are mistaken. I'm in favor of not doing things that have been historically proven not to work. Trump's "America First" policy assumes that as the world’s dominant actor, the United States, can behave freely and independently in trade and it assumes the U.S. can act unilaterally without consequences. Unfortunately America’s top economic position doesn’t shield it from the dire consequences that unilateral trade policy can provoke. You want to know where the real surrendering is taking place? In surrendering America's place at the table in multilateral trade agreements, such the Trans-Pacific and international trade and banking institutions. We are withdrawing from the international trade system the U.S. helped create, one based on open markets and classically liberal principles. And it is under threat as never before. Yet President Trump’s “America First” approach is a total abdication of the traditional U.S. role as its defender.

We can agree Trump is an idiot, but looking the other way on the actions of criminals just because they are Chinese doesn't work for me. In fact, I think Trump would rather let this go just like he's willing to let MBS kill whomever he likes.

 

[tres borrachos]

Yeah, but who cares about wall street? Lol.

Sent from Trump Plaza's basement using Putin's MacBook.

Mycroft! Oh wait...he said nobody cares about Wall Street. Never mind. Carry on.

 

[Hatuey]

Mycroft! Oh wait...he said nobody cares about Wall Street. Never mind. Carry on.

We sure don't care bout it. Not like our retirements are linked to investments in companies started by his generation and like we depend on them doing well to have a chance at retirement in Panama or wherever Mycroft has retired to. Lol, as long as people close to retirement (or past it as in Trump's case) keep a few more million dollars because of a tax break, **** us, right?

Debating people whose criteria for criticizing a president are CT beliefs about their birth certificate, non-existent influence from Muslims, but not failure to address the consequence of saying that the stock market depends on you to do well....


Gets tiresome.



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[Airyaman]

Whadya think, good idea?

 

[Mycroft]

Winner!! Winner!! Chicken dinner!! ^^^^^^^^

Trump loves him some leverage. He looks for it. He uses is. He used it with that other Chinese company that violated sanctions. He'll use it with this thing.

Oh...and some people are saying that Trump didn't know this lady was getting arrested and extradited. LOL!! He knew.

 

[Hatuey]

Winner!! Winner!! Chicken dinner!! ^^^^^^^^

You've deluded yourself into thinking our Dow Jones going down by 400 points and keeping a hostage is going to do anything but drive us closer to a military confrontation....




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[Airyaman]

You've deluded yourself into thinking our Dow Jones going down by 400 points and keeping a hostage is going to do anything but drive us closer to a military confrontation....




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I doubt it will come to that, but if they even think of using this person as leverage, then any trade "negotiations" will be immediately ended.

Which means they're just dumb enough to try it.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

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As of the time of this post the market is down about 700 points. The timing of this seems pretty odd given the optimism that was being expressed by the administration for improving trade relations with China after the G20 get together in Argentina. Looks like that's all shot to hell now. Gotta wonder who's making these decisions and if they are being coordinated in any manner so as to form a coherent and consistent foreign and economic policy.

How's everyone's 401k doing?
Great job, Twumpy!

 

[Hatuey]

I doubt it will come to that, but if they even think of using this person as leverage, then any trade "negotiations" will be immediately ended.

Which means they're just dumb enough to try it.

Yeah, that's not good, man.

Sent from Trump Plaza's basement using Putin's MacBook.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Do you think the Chinese are going to take that arrest lightly?

Hell to the No they won't.
I expect that the gloves are going to come off.
Don't forget, China has sufficient economic resources to drop a cool trillion and a half on a HIGHWAY system devoted purely to trade with the rest of the world.

That signals, at least to me, that they have sufficient resources to do both that AND tighten the spigot with regard to US trade at the same time, while strengthening trade with the rest of the world.
At some point, maybe not right away, trade with those other connected nations will become more important than trade with the US market.