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Don't burn the Koran in Britain!

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Oh my Gosh! Where on earth could these nasty people have gotten their inspiration for such Wacial and Weligious Hatred?


http://islamizationwatch.blogspot.com/2009/09/pakistan-punjab-muslim-extremists-burn.html

Muslims burn Bible in Pakistan | Spero News

Muslims Burn Bibles Routinely and Often from Planck's Constant

Christians in Gaza Fear for Their Lives as Muslims Burn Bibles and Destroy Crosses - Associated Content - associatedcontent.com

Ikhwanweb :: The Muslim Brotherhood Official English Website



DOUBLE-STANDARDS: http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/04/s...-head-throwing-at-mosque-racist-incident.html



Muslims Burn US Flag at London Embassy | Demotix.com

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BBC News | UK | British Jews on high alert

http://mmabbasi.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/flag_burning.jpg

Muslim protesters burn Israeli flags as they clash with police - Middle East, World - The Independent


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ISLAMO-ARCHIVE:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/gener...n-away-damning-government-research-paper.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...n-worshippers-outside-indonesias-capital.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaking-news-mainstream-media/81291-new-pastor-plans-burn-quran.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...nce-over-islamic-center-3.html#post1058975203

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...astor-plans-burn-quran-11.html#post1058978152

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...zed-new-york-washington-9-11-anniversary.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...stro-blasts-ahmadinejad-holocaust-denial.html



http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...s-associate-calls-wtc-attacks-inside-job.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...-says-resolution-nyc-mosque-debate-works.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/europ...-bigwigs-want-islamify-worlds-clocks-now.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/europe/77985-mr-cameron-do-we-really-want-turkey-eu.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/europ...advocate-muslim-only-toilets-integration.html



http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...llahs-issue-fatwas-against-koran-burners.html

http://www.debatepolitics.com/europ...e-birminghams-now-islam-zone-rule-police.html



...Phew! That pile of evidence is just as stifling as that garnered for Nuremberg!
 
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This is an egregious attack on freedom of speech. I don't like what those men did, but freedom of speech doesn't just cover expression that you like. It covers all expression within reason. If these men were putting someone at risk, that would be one thing, but this is just pathetic cowering to political correctness on the part of the UK government. Parliament should hang its head in shame for allowing this nonsense.
 

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The racist EDL scum broke long established British law. I hope they get jail time.
 

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Oh, don't worry about them. They just use the race club to flail around at anybody not in step with liberal-left slurry.

Indeed, you hear them cry foul over the EDL, yet utter not a single word about the 'Butchers of Basra' thing, 'Death to Those Who Insult Islam' fiasco - or even the farce of Weyman Bennett's arrest, along with several UAF rioters and propagandist Martin Smith.
 
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I apologize in advance for this post before any offense can be taken....

Its something that must be said....

I think, the UK (for that matter all of Europe) has just given up. By that, I mean on everything. Seems you guys don't really want competition, certainly not vigorous competition. You don't want to exert yourselves and seem to figure that if you just try to get along, everyone else will too.

If I was to hazard a guess, I'd say the 20th Century burned you guys, the **** out. WWI and WWII killed so many and caused so much devastation, followed by the 50 years of fear (Cold War), you just don't have the stomach for war and conflict.

Rome repeats itself. Europe has invited the barbarians in because they needed them. Now they are entrenched and they won't undertake the radical surgery necessary to reverse the situation.

In the final analysis, history wins. Change always occurs and the weak succumb to the stronger.
 

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You don't want to exert yourselves and seem to figure that if you just try to get along, everyone else will too.

Poor old Neville Chamberlain and Deladier thought so too. Such isn't new. However, today's political class have history's lessons before them as well as the consequences of their brave new world. Yet they still behave the same.

Today's liberal ideology delivers what it does not through weariness but through design.
 

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I am not surprised. The UK does not value free speech. If you speak out against a protected group they arrest and or fine you.

-- I personally think it was a mistake to arrest these people for burning a koran however they have been bailed and we will see what charges are laid against them. I equally think it was a mistake on their part to burn a koran when we still have troops out in Afghanistan who will pay the price of these guys actions.

If they simply burned two korans - I have no problem, it all comes down to whatever actions they took and whether this was incitement to racial violence but I haven't seen or heard the video to see if they went on to call for violence against muslims.
 

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Have our neighbors across the pond gone daft? I thought they had freedom of expression over there, just like we do over here:

Yet, six Brits were arrested for burning the Koran and posting the video on the net.

Actually we don't have the same law.

I can't get away with burning a Bible, why should it be different for them? Just because it is the Qu'ran? :shrug:
Saying that, I'd rather they were not arrested but I'm not going to pretend I am going to get angry if they are. I can't say I particularly care.

Oh and lol @ "this is for our boys in Afghanistan".
Yeah because that is what British soldiers need. Pissed off Afghans :roll:
 
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They were arrested under the 'incitement to hatred' law. In reality they were just being childish copy cats trying to copy the American Pastor who did not in the end do it. Just some of our mindless loons.

I think I have heard that the US has an incitement to hatred law as well but as the European forum seems to have for the last couple of weeks filled with how much Americans hate the Europeans, I will leave you all to plumb your hatred. After all the hatred belongs to you not me, just as in this incident the hatred belongs to the people arrested not Muslims. If they are found to have been trying to also incite hatred in others they they will be brought to trial as it is against our laws to incite people to hatred against people because of their race, religion or sexual orientation.
 
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So what race is the Koran?

I am amazed at the charges they've arrested them for.
"Inciting racial hatred"?
Racial hatred?
Racial?

Nevertheless this is a very dangerous move against the British democracy, burning a religious book is not an action against its followers, but an action against the religion.
 
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I am amazed at the charges they've arrested them for.

Firstly, there's some reports that say they may be prosecuted under public disorder law but there's also inciting racial hatred in others.

"Inciting racial hatred"?
Racial hatred?
Racial?

The burners themselves bring upn race talking of themselves as downtrodden "white English." The Koran for them represents everyone who is not "white" or "English."

-- Nevertheless this is a very dangerous move against the British democracy, burning a religious book is not an action against its followers, but an action against the religion.

Depends on how the jury see this, if it's simply the burning of two Korans then freedom of speech has been lessened in the UK. If the 6 raise race and religion themselves then they put themselves before laws on racial incitement and religious incitement.
 

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Firstly, there's some reports that say they may be prosecuted under public disorder law but there's also inciting racial hatred in others.

The burners themselves bring upn race talking of themselves as downtrodden "white English." The Koran for them represents everyone who is not "white" or "English."

Well if that's the case it does change the situation, but is this the case amongst all of those who were arrested?
Would they be arrested if they were not bragging about being white English and referring to the white race/English ethnicity as superior?

Depends on how the jury see this, if it's simply the burning of two Korans then freedom of speech has been lessened in the UK. If the 6 raise race and religion themselves then they put themselves before laws on racial incitement and religious incitement.

So what you're saying here is that a person can indeed burn a quran (or any other holy book) in the UK without getting arrested for it?
 

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They were arrested under the 'incitement to hatred' law.

So, why isn't a signifigant portion of the British left in Jail?
 

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So, why isn't a signifigant portion of the British left in Jail?

:roll:

Because the majority of British left haven't been charged with inciting hatred. :doh

The right is more guilty of inciting racial hatred than the left. A Conservative party member now Government minister even admitted his own party has "elements of racism"

And I'd argue it is little different in US, would explain why African Americans rarely vote in large numbers for the Republicans.
 
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I think I have heard that the US has an incitement to hatred law as well but as the European forum seems to have for the last couple of weeks filled with how much Americans hate the Europeans, I will leave you all to plumb your hatred.


No, we have this thing called the first amendment.

Hate speech - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The United States federal government and state governments are broadly forbidden by the First Amendment of the Constitution from restricting speech. See, e.g., Gitlow v. New York (1925), incorporating the free speech clause. Generally speaking, the First Amendment prohibits governments from regulating the content of speech, subject to a few recognized exceptions such as defamation[33] and incitement to riot.[34] Even in cases where speech encourages illegal violence, instances of incitement qualify as criminal only if the threat of violence is imminent.[35] This strict standard prevents prosecution of many cases of incitement, including prosecution of those advocating violent opposition to the government, and those exhorting violence against racial, ethnic, or gender minorities. See, e.g., Yates v. United States (1957), Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969).

Something a little more recent on a state level.
Victory: Pennsylvania “hate crimes” law struck down by Penn. Supreme Court at Firm Foundation

In a significant victory for freedom of thought and the rule of law, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruled yesterday in favor of Michael Marcavage and other Christian evangelists with Repent America, affirming in Marcavage v. Rendell that the state legislature violated the Pennsylvania Constitution when it added “sexual orientation” and “gender identity” to Pennsylvania’s “ethnic intimidation” law (18 Pa. C.S. § 2710), the state’s version of so-called “hate crimes.”

The Foundation for Moral Law, along with attorney Aaron D. Martin, represented Christian evangelists Michael Marcavage, Mark Diener, Randall and Linda Beckman, Susan Startzell, Arlene Elshinnawy, and Nancy Major (below), who in 2004 were arrested and charged under the “ethnic intimidation” law for evangelizing at a Philadelphia homosexual parade.

Several of the "Philly 11" pictured here challenged the constitutionality of Pennsylvania's "ethnic intimidation" law

Several of the “Philadelphia 11″ sued and the Commonwealth Court of Pennsylvania agreed that the law was unconstitutional and struck it down. On appeal the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania, in a short per curiam order, agreed with the Commonwealth Court’s opinion and the Christian evangelists’ appellate brief filed by the Foundation.

Judge Roy Moore remarked on this historic case:

“We are very happy that the Pennsylvania Supreme Court has ruled in our favor to stop the Governor and a group of corrupt politicians from sneaking a ‘hate crimes’ bill through the Pennsylvania legislature. Preaching to homosexuals about the sin of sodomy should not be made a ‘thought crime’ in Pennsylvania or any other state.”
 

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Because the majority of British left haven't been charged with inciting hatred. :doh

and that is only because the application of the law is so very, VERY selective.

You could toss just about the entire membership of the the respect party if promoting hatred were actually the issue here.
 

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The burners themselves bring upn race talking of themselves as downtrodden "white English." The Koran for them represents everyone who is not "white" or "English."

Depends on how the jury see this, if it's simply the burning of two Korans then freedom of speech has been lessened in the UK. If the 6 raise race and religion themselves then they put themselves before laws on racial incitement and religious incitement.

One thing I still do not understand IC, I've read the entire article and could not find the reference to those remarks and boasting about belonging to a superior race or ethnicity.
Perhaps you could refer me to those remarks?
 

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You could toss just about the entire membership of the the respect party if promoting hatred were actually the issue here.

As you could many members of the right :shrug:
 

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As you could many members of the right :shrug:

Yes, yet you and other Brits here only acknowledge the extreme right while fighting strenuously against any suggestion that the British left is also capable of indulging in hatred. In this, you mirror the general tenor of political correctness in Britain that turns a blind eye to hatred as long as the hatred comes from certain quarters.

When the "incitement to hatred" law is actually applied to ALL who indulge in such, it remains a mockery to the very notion it purports to represent.
 

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Glad to hear the Brits have more sense than the Yanks.

I never had any doubt about that, of course, it is just good to have a confirmation.
 

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When the "incitement to hatred" law is actually applied to ALL who indulge in such, it remains a mockery to the very notion it purports to represent.

No member of the left have ever been charged under this law so everything you say does not apply, unless you have evidence that can stand up to scrutiny in the crown court. Its meaningless.
Hell, almost no one on either political spectrum have been charged since this new law came about in 06.
 
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