Donald Trump's mental health becomes an issue again

[eohrnberger]

There are only three people involved in the nuclear protocol.

1) The person carrying the football.

2) The President who gives the order and provides his code.

3) The Secretary of Defense who confirms receipt of that order and provides his code.

The protocol does not include Miley conspiring with Pelosi to seize control of the nuclear Arsenal for himself.

True, Miley, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, is not listed in the 'Nuclear Protocol'.

Protocol​

Further information: Nuclear weapons and the United States​

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Should the president decide to order the launch of nuclear weapons, the president would be taken aside by the "carrier" of the nuclear football and the briefcase opened.[3] Once opened, the president would decide which "attack options" (specific orders for attacks on specific targets) to use. The attack options are preset war plans developed under OPLAN 8010, and include major attack options (MAOs), selected attack options (SAOs), and limited attack options (LAOs). The chosen attack option and the Gold Codes would then be transmitted to the NMCC via a special, secure channel.​

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Stephen Schwartz, an independent nuclear policy consultant, explained in 2018: "Once [the president's] identity is verified, he gives the order and it is transmitted down the chain of command. The chain of command goes from the president through the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and then, if we’re using long-range weapons, down through the Strategic Command, then the order is relayed to our forces in the field. It always happens extremely quickly."[9]​

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As commander-in-chief, the president is the only individual with the authority to order the use of nuclear weapons.[10] The National Command Authority comprising the president and Secretary of Defense must jointly authenticate the order to use nuclear weapons.[6] It is argued by Franklin Miller that the president has almost single authority to initiate a nuclear attack since the Secretary of Defense is required to verify the order, but cannot legally veto it.[11] However, Section 4 of the 25th Amendment of the Constitution allows for the vice president, together with a majority of cabinet heads or Congress, to declare the president disabled or unfit to execute the duties of the office.[12]​

Gold Codes - Wikipedia​

Any one of those officials which doesn't 'authenticate the order to use nuclear weapons' the order would stop right there, would it not?

My guess is that Milley was imagining a threat which wasn't there for political reasons.

 

[KevinKohler]

So let's fix it, then. Surely there is some way to require, with enough support, that a questionable sitting president submit to psychiatric evaluation?

 

[Craig234]

Woodward's book is trash.

That's a cultist reaction to incredible, good reporting. It's the mentality you see in my sig.

 

[less right]

There are only three people involved in the nuclear protocol.

1) The person carrying the football.

2) The President who gives the order and provides his code.

3) The Secretary of Defense who confirms receipt of that order and provides his code.

The protocol does not include Miley conspiring with Pelosi to seize control of the nuclear Arsenal for himself.

He should have been conspiring with the cabinet -- if he had time.

 

[j brown's body]

There was no need for Miley to do anything and I already provided two options neither of which Miley did. Replacing Trump with an unelected general who seized power for himself is not Democracy.

I have pointed out why those two options could or would not work. Do we need to go over it again? You seem to be content to talk in circles.

A president who provokes insurrection, strong arms local officials and his Justice Dept and uses foreign policy to to extort of foreign leader is clearly not democracy. Those are choices Trump made to deliberately undermine democracy. Milley had no other choice.

Is there no line against tyranny, for you, that Trump could cross?

 

[j brown's body]

He should have been conspiring with the cabinet -- if he had time.

The cabinet knew what kind of person Trump is and did nothing.

 

[HangLow]

Trump and his Republican colleagues are now weakening the American chain of command.

Keep in mind, all Milley did was remind military leaders that he was to be in the loop in the case of an act of war being transmitted to the Pentagon. That is his job.

Also, Milley's concern about the President's mental health was justified and was shared by many others in the White House, including Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper (who Trump fired) and Attorney General William P. Barr (who quit).

The former President released a written statement through his office. "Dumbass’ General Mark Milley, I assume he would be tried for TREASON in that he would have been dealing with his Chinese counterpart behind the President’s back and telling China that he would be giving them notification of an attack [launched by the President]."

Senator Rand Paul, a Trump ally, offered this comment. “Milley wasn’t elected to be president. I can’t even tell you how incredibly dangerous this is."

"The Chairman of the JCOS working to subvert the military chain of command and collude with China is exactly what we do not accept from military leaders in our country," Paul wrote on Twitter. "He should be court martialed if true."

Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida called for the top general to be fired, writing in a letter to the White House arguing that Milley had set a "dangerous precedent" through his actions and had "contemplated a treasonous leak of classified information to the Chinese Communist Party."

Rubio is lying. There is no indication Milley did any such thing, and, usual for a Republican, Rubio gave no details regarding what he was talking about.

Other GOP senators such as Cynthia Lummis of Wyoming and Roger Marshall of Kansas also called for Milley's firing.

The Republican Party is lost. Its leader lost the last election by seven million votes. On Jan. 6, the Republican President led an insurrection against his own government, sparking concerns among many about his mental condition and what he would do next. Nearly eleven months later, Trump is still proclaiming he won the election. Now, he and other Republican leaders are attacking the American chain of command.

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[j brown's body]

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Lil Marco strikes.

 

[Manc Skipper]

The bottom line is that Miley thinks his personal opinions entitle him to betray the chain of command and sabotage US military operations ordered by a President by serving as a mole for foreign military leadership. I guarantee you that would not be tolerated of any of his subordinates nor should it be tolerated of him. We can’t have a rogue general operating a shadow foreign and military policy.

He told you this? Hmmm.

 

[Manc Skipper]

Lil Marco strikes.

It must feel like being savaged by a dead skunk.

 

[Subieguy]

You're comfortable with this this guy's finger on the button?

Australians aghast as Joe Biden calls Prime Minister "that fella down under"

Biden was announcing a trilateral AUKUS security agreement during a virtual press conference.

www.newsweek.com

compared to Trump, heck yes!!!!

 

[Napoleon]

He told you this? Hmmm.

That’s what his actions reveal.

 

[Napoleon]

No

I have pointed out why those two options could or would not work. Do we need to go over it again? You seem to be content to talk in circles.

A president who provokes insurrection, strong arms local officials and his Justice Dept and uses foreign policy to to extort of foreign leader is clearly not democracy. Those are choices Trump made to deliberately undermine democracy. Milley had no other choice.

Is there no line against tyranny, for you, that Trump could cross?

No, you’re just making crap up as you go along and still fail to recognize the fact that no scenario you conjure ends in Miley’s actions being Constitutional or lawful.

 

[Subieguy]

So completely over looking of obvious mental frailties already well documents in the public record? Yeah, figures.
'Doing well'? You sure are queuing yourself up for a major disappointment in the mid term election results, aren't you? Oh do please proceed. By all means.

What 'cult'? You call 'non-Democrat supporters' a cult already demonstrates that you in the hyper-partisanship outlier category, unable to accept accept political opinions and positions which you don't support. You do realize that, don't you?
Here's a hint: There are non-Democrats which don't support Trump the man, eh? Or is that far too much for you to mentally handle?

In addition, have you checked how badly Biden's job approval polling has fallen? In polls which already over sample Democrats, right?
Yeah, didn't think so. Simply can't handle the cognitive dissonance, can you?

You are dismissed with cause.

Typical Cult response. Presidential polls go up and down, did you forget? Unlike Trump, Biden has had a number of issues both nationally and internationally to deal with unlike Mango man whose handler Putin made things easy for his guy. Ooops! . But first and foremost Trump mishandled the covid situation so badly Biden has been left to pick up the pieces which he is doing despite the hard rights mis information/disinformation ongoing propaganda. So you are dismissed! Carry on.

 

[calamity]

The cabinet knew what kind of person Trump is and did nothing.

I certainly never would have guessed that there were enough Nazis in the USA for an entire major political Party to become too afraid of them to do the right thing.

Stunning.

 

[calamity]

So completely over looking of obvious mental frailties already well documents in the public record? Yeah, figures.
'Doing well'? You sure are queuing yourself up for a major disappointment in the mid term election results, aren't you? Oh do please proceed. By all means.

Wishful but completely unfounded thinking ^

What 'cult'? You call 'non-Democrat supporters' a cult already demonstrates that you in the hyper-partisanship outlier category, unable to accept accept political opinions and positions which you don't support. You do realize that, don't you?

lol...yeah, that what lies directly in front of your nose is not really there...lol

Here's a hint: There are non-Democrats which don't support Trump the man, eh? Or is that far too much for you to mentally handle?

Yes, we are called Never Trumpers....and we really mean the "never" part.

In addition, have you checked how badly Biden's job approval polling has fallen? In polls which already over sample Democrats, right?
Yeah, didn't think so. Simply can't handle the cognitive dissonance, can you?

More wishful but completely unfounded thinking ^

You are dismissed with cause.

lol...irony

 

[j brown's body]

No

No, you’re just making crap up as you go along and still fail to recognize the fact that no scenario you conjure ends in Miley’s actions being Constitutional or lawful.

This is not a logical argument. You got nothing. Repeating your old arguments and evasion.

It comes down, basically, this: a leader existentially and purposefully subverting democracy for personal power and pleasure versus a general subverting it, in your opinion, to stop him. I'll take the general everytime.

That you, and so many other Americans, can't see the clear danger Trunmp was, and remains to our democracy and our country, when the corruption is so evident, is unfortunate.

 

[MaryP]

What he should have done was either resign or make his case to the cabinet. Paranoid delusions and personal opinions don’t entitle him to his own personal insurrection.

When you believe your country--and the planet--may be in dire peril, you should turn and RUN? Is that your advice?

The Cabinet? He had appointed all those people because they were loyalists, and he removed and replaced any who disagreed with him about anything. They were making sweet paychecks; why stir the pot? If Trump had made his picks according to knowledge and expertise, they would have 25th'd him long before Jan 6.

This was the Trump Administration, run by a man who demanded loyalty to him, regardless what he did. General Milley didn't have anywhere to turn there.

 

[eohrnberger]

Typical Cult response.

Typically expect weak sauce response. Expected from you, so at least you haven't disappointed on that front!
As I pointed out, non-Democrats lockstep is not equivalent to 'cult', so can't even be honest about that, can you. Again, expected from you, so at least you haven't disappointed on that front!
What's next? Non-Democrats lockstep declared as 'Domestic Terrorists' by the federal government?
Yes, that's exactly where the push narrative is going, and I'm sure you'll fall lock step in with that as well. Tisk, tisk, tisk, such a leftist sheeple you appear to be.

Presidential polls go up and down, did you forget? Unlike Trump, Biden has had a number of issues both nationally and internationally to deal with unlike Mango man whose handler Putin made things easy for his guy. Ooops! .

Bought that BS from the leftist 'news' (political propaganda) media have you?

Trump-Russia 'collusion' was always a hoax -- and dirtiest political trick in modern US history | Gregg Jarrett

President Trump claimed Tuesday his administration will work to stop Russian meddling in future elections, and suggested the possibility of paper ballots as a backup for electronic voting.

thegreggjarrett.com

Your Leftist Democrat handlers have lied to you dude.

York: Now they tell us -- Trump was tough on Russia​

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/york-now-they-tell-us-trump-was-tough-on-russia/ar-BB1cAR3z
On Feb. 20, 2018, Trump tweeted, "I have been much tougher on Russia than Obama, just look at the facts. Total Fake News!" Much of the media stood up as one to denounce Trump's statement. "Simply ...
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Even NPR supports this:

President Trump is in the process of inviting Russian President Vladimir Putin to come to Washington, D.C., this fall to continue the talks they started in Helsinki earlier this week.

It's another sign of Trump's efforts to build closer ties with Moscow, even though he insists his administration has taken a hard line toward Russia.

"There's never been a president as tough on Russia as I have been," Trump told reporters on Wednesday.

That might sound like hyperbole, but in this case, there's actually some basis for the president's boast.

"When you actually look at the substance of what this administration has done, not the rhetoric but the substance, this administration has been much tougher on Russia than any in the post-Cold War era," said Daniel Vajdich, senior fellow at the Atlantic Council.

Is Trump The Toughest Ever On Russia?

President Trump boasts that he's tougher on Russia than any other president. His administration has adopted some tough policies, even though Trump's rhetoric is almost always friendly toward Moscow.

www.npr.org

I think it's time you woke up about who is misleading you and why they are, I mean really. Engage some critical thinking for a change.

But first and foremost Trump mishandled the covid situation so badly Biden has been left to pick up the pieces which he is doing despite the hard rights mis information/disinformation ongoing propaganda.

Who brought the COVID vaccines to availability in record time with FDA approval? Biden? Ahh, yeah, right, but nope.

So you are dismissed! Carry on.

So are you, but do consider that points posted for you above.

 

[craig]

The only one whose mental health should be of any concern is the mediocre politician who currently sits in the Oval Office.

The Honorable Donald J. Trump's mental health is not the issue. He is still exceptionally spry (which infuriates his enemies).

His problem is simply that he has a horrible personality.

Although I proudly voted twice for him (and sorely miss him), I am the first to acknowledge that he is obnoxious.

He totally lacks the ability to laugh at himself. That's why he was too chicken to attend the Washington Correspondents' Dinners.

I agree with his enemies that something went awry in his childhood that caused him to be such a blowhard.

If you can't laugh at yourself you are a psychopath.

 

[less right]

The cabinet knew what kind of person Trump is and did nothing.

I don't disagree but my point is that even if the cabinet was inclined to do something they can't do something as fast as Trump could pull the trigger if that's the proof they're waiting for.

 

[Big Steve]

So let's fix it, then. Surely there is some way to require, with enough support, that a questionable sitting president submit to psychiatric evaluation?

Presidents undergo regular physical exams. There's no reason they couldn't undergo regular psychological exams, as well...

 

[Sandy Shanks]

The Republican Party is lost. Its leader lost the last election by seven million votes. On Jan. 6, the Republican President led an insurrection against his own government, sparking concerns among many about his mental condition and what he would do next. Nearly eleven months later, Trump is still proclaiming he won the election. Now, he and other Republican leaders are attacking the American chain of command.

Trump, after losing his reelection by over seven million votes, incited the Jan. 6 insurrection against his government with these words:

“We’re going to walk down to the Capitol, and we’re going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong.”

“When you catch somebody in a fraud, you are allowed to go by very different rules."

“We fight like hell and if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.”

"Now it is up to Congress to confront this egregious assault on our democracy. And after this, we’re going to walk down, and I’ll be there with you. We are going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.”

According to Insider, 642 people have been arrested for the capital insurrection. A rally on Saturday has been organized by former Trump campaign staffer Matt Braynard to honor those who have been arrested on felony charges.

Former President Trump signified his support for the rally saying ...

“Our hearts and minds are with the people being persecuted so unfairly relating to the January 6th protest concerning the Rigged Presidential Election. In addition to everything else, it has proven conclusively that we are a two-tiered system of justice. In the end, however, JUSTICE WILL PREVAIL!”

The Republican leadership in Congress has not condemned the rally. Point of fact, they are not saying a thing.

The same is true about the party's leader and his Big Lie. Congressional Republicans do not want to anger Trump's supporters. Consequently, they are completely silent when their leader insists to this day that the election was stolen from him. According to a recent SSRS poll, 78% of Republicans do not believe Biden was elected President.

What does all this mean? Trump's support comes largely from rural counties, counties and towns with small populations. It means that the Republican leadership does not want to rile high school educated farmers and rural shopkeepers who think Trump is their hero.

Busy with the land, they don't have time to see the reality of what is happening around them. A very large percentage of Trump's followers have no idea any of this is happening. They don't know what happened on Jan. 6. They don't know what Trump said on Jan. 6, or today for that matter. All they know is that, for reasons they can't say, Trump is their hero.

It means the Republican Party's new mantra is the Big Lie. Since the leadership won't deny it, the GOP will operate on the principle that the 2020 election was fraudulent.

 

[Napoleon]

When you believe your country--and the planet--may be in dire peril, you should turn and RUN? Is that your advice?

The Cabinet? He had appointed all those people because they were loyalists, and he removed and replaced any who disagreed with him about anything. They were making sweet paychecks; why stir the pot? If Trump had made his picks according to knowledge and expertise, they would have 25th'd him long before Jan 6.

This was the Trump Administration, run by a man who demanded loyalty to him, regardless what he did. General Milley didn't have anywhere to turn there.

And you think the answer to such wild speculation and delusion is to allow an unelected general who doesn’t think he answers to anyone to seize power?

 

[craig]

And you think the answer to such wild speculation and delusion is to allow an unelected general who doesn’t think he answers to anyone to seize power?

That is not what happened.