Domestic terrorism laws, is it time for some?

[bongsaway]

After january the sixth is it time to formulate some kind of domestic terrorism laws?

 

[jnug]

Depends on your view of federal law enforcement. FBI-nerds are spewing nonsense about needing specific domestic terror statutes to monitor White Supremacists and other assorted Whack Job groups. BS. They just want a whole separate division within the Bureau focused on Domestic Terror......job security for FBI agents.

I will buy into it on one condition. Just flip some of the assets focused on Islamic Terrorism, coming from outside the US into the US to a new Domestic Terror Unit equipped with new Statutes and I am fine with it.

 

[bongsaway]

Depends on your view of federal law enforcement. FBI-nerds are spewing nonsense about needing specific domestic terror statutes to monitor White Supremacists and other assorted Whack Job groups. BS. They just want a whole separate division within the Bureau focused on Domestic Terror......job security for FBI agents.

I will buy into it on one condition. Just flip some of the assets focused on Islamic Terrorism, coming from outside the US into the US to a new Domestic Terror Unit equipped with new Statutes and I am fine with it.

The fbi had no problem surveilling a mosque in minnesota for years because of terrorists who were muslims but there is a problem to surveil domestic terrorist groups of white folks for some odd reason.

 

[dixon01767]

After january the sixth is it time to formulate some kind of domestic terrorism laws?

What issues do you have with current domestic terrorism laws? January 6th? "Terrorism"? You talking about the window breakers? Guy armed with a fire extinguisher? People engaged in shoving matches with the police?
This guy?

 

[jnug]

What issues do you have with current domestic terrorism laws? January 6th? "Terrorism"? You talking about the window breakers? Guy armed with a fire extinguisher? People engaged in shoving matches with the police?
This guy?

This is probably at the heart of his problem. From the CSIS Report released earlier this year:
"This analysis makes several arguments. First, far-right terrorism has significantly outpaced terrorism from other types of perpetrators, including from far-left networks and individuals inspired by the Islamic State and al-Qaeda. Right-wing attacks and plots account for the majority of all terrorist incidents in the United States since 1994, and the total number of right-wing attacks and plots has grown significantly during the past six years. Right-wing extremists perpetrated two thirds of the attacks and plots in the United States in 2019 and over 90 percent between January 1 and May 8, 2020. Second, terrorism in the United States will likely increase over the next year in response to several factors. One of the most concerning is the 2020 U.S. presidential election, before and after which extremists may resort to violence, depending on the outcome of the election. Far-right and far-left networks have used violence against each other at protests, raising the possibility of escalating violence during the election period."

 

[redbeer]

After january the sixth is it time to formulate some kind of domestic terrorism laws?

Yes, Antifa, BLM should be included in these laws...correct?

 

[dixon01767]

The fbi had no problem surveilling a mosque in minnesota for years because of terrorists who were muslims but there is a problem to surveil domestic terrorist groups of white folks for some odd reason.

They have no problem. Mosque in Minnesota or "domestic terrorist groups of white folks "
USUALLY the whine from the left regarding domestic terrorism is that we give too much privacy protections to US citizens here in the US with none given to foreigners or US citizens in foreign nations.

 

[dixon01767]

Yes, Antifa, BLM should be included in these laws...correct?

Oh hell, YOU KNOW they don't mean Antifa and BLM. They are peaceful protesters not terrorists

 

[dixon01767]

Right-wing extremists perpetrated two thirds of the attacks and plots in the United States in 2019 and over 90 percent between January 1 and May 8, 2020.

Will be interesting to see how they tabulate attacks after May 8 2020. Some foiled plot by a lone individual to bomb some government building will be labeled Right Wing extremism because the suspect posts on some internet quanon forum. While 2 week sieges on a government building by BLM and Antifa is peaceful protest.

 

[bongsaway]

What issues do you have with current domestic terrorism laws? January 6th? "Terrorism"? You talking about the window breakers? Guy armed with a fire extinguisher? People engaged in shoving matches with the police?
This guy?

There are no domestic terrorism laws. You folks on the right crack me up. Rand Paul several months ago was complaining about his death defying run in with some folks and the right went wild about it even though paul was never touched physically. Yet when the folks on the right march through the capitol destroying things it's a friendly gathering.

 

[bongsaway]

Yes, Antifa, BLM should be included in these laws...correct?

You mean all black folks and anyone who votes democratic. Correct?

 

[holbritter]

After january the sixth is it time to formulate some kind of domestic terrorism laws?

Sure. As long as the the definition includes all domestic races.

 

[bongsaway]

Sure. As long as the the definition includes all domestic races.

I'm for that idea.

 

[redbeer]

You mean all black folks and anyone who votes democratic. Correct?

No, the rioters all summer who were Antifa and BLM members....they were NOT protesters, they were criminals in serious need of prosecution.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Depends on your view of federal law enforcement. FBI-nerds are spewing nonsense about needing specific domestic terror statutes to monitor White Supremacists and other assorted Whack Job groups. BS. They just want a whole separate division within the Bureau focused on Domestic Terror......job security for FBI agents.

I will buy into it on one condition. Just flip some of the assets focused on Islamic Terrorism, coming from outside the US into the US to a new Domestic Terror Unit equipped with new Statutes and I am fine with it.

Exactly, the tools we need are already there, we just need to use them properly.
There is a verifiable connection to several sources connected to hostile foreign adversaries, and hostile foreign AND domestic investors who work in common cause.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

No, the rioters all summer who were Antifa and BLM members....they were NOT protesters, they were criminals in serious need of prosecution.

The Reichstag Fire myth that claims leftists started it.
That's the allegory you're working with and that is the source of your rhetorical campaign.

 

[redbeer]

The Reichstag Fire myth that claims leftists started it.
That's the allegory you're working with and that is the source of your rhetorical campaign.

Oh goodness.....we all know who were the rioters and looters last summer.....you just stay in lala land and be happy.

 

[bongsaway]

No, the rioters all summer who were Antifa and BLM members....they were NOT protesters, they were criminals in serious need of prosecution.

BLM is a movement created by a white cop killing a black man. Half the people protesting were white folks, they must have been the antifa part?

 

[independentusa]

Yes, Antifa, BLM should be included in these laws...correct?

You do realize that what you Antifa is not an organization, say like the Proud boys or QAnon just online individuals that talk to each other, but yes, we should be looking at all groups and individuals to insure the safety of our people

 

[US&THEM]

What issues do you have with current domestic terrorism laws? January 6th? "Terrorism"? You talking about the window breakers? Guy armed with a fire extinguisher? People engaged in shoving matches with the police?
This guy?

5 dead on that day and the other home grown killers roaming around

 

[bullseyelqcs]

Will be interesting to see how they tabulate attacks after May 8 2020. Some foiled plot by a lone individual to bomb some government building will be labeled Right Wing extremism because the suspect posts on some internet quanon forum. While 2 week sieges on a government building by BLM and Antifa is peaceful protest.

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[beerftw]

Depends on your view of federal law enforcement. FBI-nerds are spewing nonsense about needing specific domestic terror statutes to monitor White Supremacists and other assorted Whack Job groups. BS. They just want a whole separate division within the Bureau focused on Domestic Terror......job security for FBI agents.

I will buy into it on one condition. Just flip some of the assets focused on Islamic Terrorism, coming from outside the US into the US to a new Domestic Terror Unit equipped with new Statutes and I am fine with it.

Fbi actually can not simply do anything meaningful due to the constitution. Which foreign terror orgs they get more reign to monitor the groups, but are still bound by laws reguarding us citizens.

Since the constitution itself protects citizen rights any group monitored has to be done the same way it is done with criminals, probable cause needs to be established for things like wiretaps(not too hard for the fbi to get) and more evidence is needed for arrest.

Sorry but this is the US of A and the constitution prohibits such actions against citizens, even the designation of domestic terrorist is meaningless other than the fbi aknowledgeing that group, as it gives no real leverage other than making it simpler to get wiretaps.

 

[paul342160]

Do you want typical Conservative Republicans like this making unannounced visits to
Washington D.C. government buildings and State Capitol buildings yelling Heil Trump?

 

[redbeer]

BLM is a movement created by a white cop killing a black man. Half the people protesting were white folks, they must have been the antifa part?

Once they went from protesting to rioting or looting, they were NO LONGER protesters, they were criminals.....is this so hard to grasp?

 

[bullseyelqcs]

Once they went from protesting to rioting or looting, they were NO LONGER protesters, they were criminals.....is this so hard to grasp?

You mean those who committed those acts personally, or the group en masse?