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Does torture work?

Doest torture work?

  • yes

    Votes: 8 42.1%

  • no

    Votes: 11 57.9%
  • Total voters
    19
Re: Doest torture work?

Caine said:
It might work.

But then the world will begin to perceive US as the terrorists instead.
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im really not trying to pick a fight with you, so dont get that idea.

but, dont you think much of the world ALREADY perceives us as the terrorist threat?

hell, much of our own COUNTRY already perceives us as the terrorist threat.
 
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ProudAmerican said:
im really not trying to pick a fight with you, so dont get that idea.

but, dont you think much of the world ALREADY perceives us as the terrorist threat?

hell, much of our own COUNTRY already perceives us as the terrorist threat.
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I mean, I understand the need for intelligence information, and I in no way want to take that ability away from any level of government. But, I truly believe that torture goes against everything that America stands for. Or used to stand for. We aren't really viewed as the same nation we were 10 years ago by foreign nations, and I don't want to continue to deteriorate that.

I don't know about you, but im not up for a war with what once were our european allies and russia because WE are being viewed as a world bully, Like the USSR once was.
 
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amazing. list a link with proof that is has without a doubt worked, and partisans still vote no.

intellectual honesty just isnt some folks strong point.
 
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But, I truly believe that torture goes against everything that America stands for. Or used to stand for.
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with all due respect, thats not the question of the poll.

I dont know if you voted, or how you voted........but dont let your emotions controll your answer.

its a very simple question that does not involve what America stands for, or how we are viewed in the world.

does it work? period.
 
Re: Doest torture work?

ProudAmerican said:
amazing. list a link with proof that is has without a doubt worked, and partisans still vote no.

intellectual honesty just isnt some folks strong point.
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Well, if they actually made news of the frequency in which torture gives us NEGATIVE and FALSE reports, then I might be able to compare the two and make a more education vote.

But it is my opinion that torture creates fake leads and confuses us even more, and thus wastes time and is not really that effective.

If you had "sometimes" as a choice, I would vote for that one, but I won't stand up and say its a positive method of recieving intelligence.


Oh, might I add that if you consider folks voting as "partisans" you must be stating that Republicans are the Torture party.

So, am I correct to say that?
 
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Re: Doest torture work?

Well, if they actually made news of the frequency in which torture gives us NEGATIVE and FALSE reports, then I might be able to compare the two and make a more education vote.
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not really. I didnt ask "does torture work a majority of the time"

I simply asked.....does torture work. you are trying to complicate a very simple question. I made it simple for a reason. I realize that many on the left (not you....just in general) love to complicate things. It makes it easier for them to stray off course.

But it is my opinion that torture creates fake leads and confuses us even more, and thus wastes time and is not really that effective.
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I understand. Again, I didnt ask that in my poll. I simply asked, does it work?

If you had "sometimes" as a choice, I would vote for that one, but I won't stand up and say its a positive method of recieving intelligence.
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oh well, you cant please everyone.

the link I posted proves it is definately a positive method of getting intell. maybe not ALWAYS.....but it definately does work.
 
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Oh, might I add that if you consider folks voting as "partisans" you must be stating that Republicans are the Torture party.
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lives have been saved. I could care less. torture away.

Im evidently one of the few people on earth that thinks his fellow Americans lives are more important than the lives of terrorists captured on the battle field.

Ill vote for the "torture party" everytime, as long as they are saving Americans.
 
Re: Doest torture work?

Caine said:
Well, if they actually made news of the frequency in which torture gives us NEGATIVE and FALSE reports, then I might be able to compare the two and make a more education vote.

But it is my opinion that torture creates fake leads and confuses us even more, and thus wastes time and is not really that effective.

If you had "sometimes" as a choice, I would vote for that one, but I won't stand up and say its a positive method of recieving intelligence.


Oh, might I add that if you consider folks voting as "partisans" you must be stating that Republicans are the Torture party.

So, am I correct to say that?
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Guess you missed the FACTOR yesterday when Bill cross examined and investigative reproter and human rights watch person who both concluded that actionable intel were gleaned from agressive interrogation... lives were saved and documented.

What do you call torture? America doesn't torture people ... it is against the law... In WW II Unlawful combatants found on the battlefield were shot by firing squad... in the state of NY Germans were tried by UCMJ and found guilty and hung for war crimes... it is illegal to not wear a uniform or insegnia when fighting in a conflict.

America never signed a treaty with protocols for terrorist or other persons using Unlawful Acts in warfare... under the rules of war the party may be shot by firing squad... Sooooooooooo what is the difference if like a cat you play with the catch before you kill it.
 
Re: Doest torture work?

depends what you think it is designed to do
It depends on what you call torture-panties on head? sleep deprivation listening to "Wake me up before you go-go"?
beating the holy snot out of a guy with a lead filled rubber hose?

brutalize and inflict pain on your enemy-sure it works for that

obtain accurate information?-doubtful and other methods are better

deterring others from engaging in nastiness? depends again-rational people maybe. Irrational fanatics who don't mind dying hard deaths to meet Allah-probably not
 
Re: Doest torture work?

Topsez said:
Guess you missed the FACTOR yesterday when Bill cross examined and investigative reproter and human rights watch person who both concluded that actionable intel were gleaned from agressive interrogation... lives were saved and documented.

What do you call torture? America doesn't torture people ... it is against the law... In WW II Unlawful combatants found on the battlefield were shot by firing squad... in the state of NY Germans were tried by UCMJ and found guilty and hung for war crimes... it is illegal to not wear a uniform or insegnia when fighting in a conflict.

America never signed a treaty with protocols for terrorist or other persons using Unlawful Acts in warfare... under the rules of war the party may be shot by firing squad... Sooooooooooo what is the difference if like a cat you play with the catch before you kill it.
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Sorry, I don't define torture by whether or not someone is wearing a uniform.

Reguardless of whether or not someone wears a uniform or fights under a flag, I believe torture to be wrong.

But like PA said, back to the topic.

I already stated that I would have voted for a "sometimes"
Because some guy on some pundit show tells us examples of how torture methods work does not mean it works all the time, or even should be used at the expense of the image of American treatment of prisoners, war prisoners or otherwise, reguardless of "uniform".

So, yes, obviously, the US DOES torture.
Just not in the sense that it is wrong in the Geneva Conventions.

But its still viewed as wrong by billions of People across the planet.
 
Re: Doest torture work?

Whatever it takes to protect this country against radical Islam I am for it.........
 
Re: Doest torture work?

Navy Pride said:
Whatever it takes to protect this country against radical Islam I am for it.........
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...................................................Dude you should die! How can you damn neo cons sit their and say "Its ok to torture" its ok to degrade human beings and make them less than animals? Its ok to beat them and torture them mentally and degrade their religion? Its ok to make them do sexual acts they don't want to? Are you KIDDING ME? People have to go to through years of psychiatry for getting rapped how long would it take for people who were tortured for years? Dude this is bull **** your willing to do all this for your protection. Your a coward Navy that your willing to sacerfice peoples freedoms and human rights for your own protection. Im leaving for today im getting pissed later all.
 
Re: Doest torture work?

nogoodname said:
...................................................Dude you should die! How can you damn neo cons sit their and say "Its ok to torture" its ok to degrade human beings and make them less than animals? Its ok to beat them and torture them mentally and degrade their religion? Its ok to make them do sexual acts they don't want to? Are you KIDDING ME? People have to go to through years of psychiatry for getting rapped how long would it take for people who were tortured for years? Dude this is bull **** your willing to do all this for your protection. Your a coward Navy that your willing to sacerfice peoples freedoms and human rights for your own protection. Im leaving for today im getting pissed later all.
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Im not a big fan of Mr. Pride.

But I think you went a little overboard.
Nobody deserves to die because they don't like Radical Islam.
 
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nogoodname said:
...................................................Dude you should die! How can you damn neo cons sit their and say "Its ok to torture" its ok to degrade human beings and make them less than animals? Its ok to beat them and torture them mentally and degrade their religion? Its ok to make them do sexual acts they don't want to? Are you KIDDING ME? People have to go to through years of psychiatry for getting rapped how long would it take for people who were tortured for years? Dude this is bull **** your willing to do all this for your protection. Your a coward Navy that your willing to sacerfice peoples freedoms and human rights for your own protection. Im leaving for today im getting pissed later all.
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Moderator's Warning:
COMPLETELY unacceptable. I've got half a mind to suspend you for this. This wouldn't even be acceptable in the basement.
 
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I'm gonna retract my statement and Navy i would like to apologize but i believe that you shouldn't just be able to say that or do that just for your own protection. I know i went overboard because i was mad but I'm really sorry and i don't wish death on you or anything like that i was just angry.
 
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Caine said:
Im not a big fan of Mr. Pride.

But I think you went a little overboard.
Nobody deserves to die because they don't like Radical Islam.
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I dont like radical islam either but i dont belive people should be innocently held and tortured during war for facts that most likely will be false
 
Re: Doest torture work?

Caine said:
Sorry, I don't define torture by whether or not someone is wearing a uniform.

Reguardless of whether or not someone wears a uniform or fights under a flag, I believe torture to be wrong.

But like PA said, back to the topic.

I already stated that I would have voted for a "sometimes"
Because some guy on some pundit show tells us examples of how torture methods work does not mean it works all the time, or even should be used at the expense of the image of American treatment of prisoners, war prisoners or otherwise, reguardless of "uniform".

So, yes, obviously, the US DOES torture.
Just not in the sense that it is wrong in the Geneva Conventions.

But its still viewed as wrong by billions of People across the planet.
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So What is your point? You seem full of crap since it isn't you or your family who are the victim of a terrorist. If someone had murdered the person you most loved and had the remainder of the persons you love in a cave you would use whatever action you thought would save those you loved and thought still to be alive.

It is UNLAWFUL to fight in a war without a uniform or insigina! Torture is illegal... the question for you and your concerns for the opinion of the billions of people around the world is would you let those you beleive still to be alive die for the rule of law and billions of people in the worlds opinion?

We, the US have not signed a GC treaty that protects terrorist or any party that fights out of uniform. You are a liar if you say you would respect the concerns of others for the fate of those you love. You don't love America if you prevent the government from providing the LOVE for innocent Americans when dealing with UNLAWFUL combatants.
 
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Topsez said:
So What is your point? You seem full of crap since it isn't you or your family who are the victim of a terrorist. If someone had murdered the person you most loved and had the remainder of the persons you love in a cave you would use whatever action you thought would save those you loved and thought still to be alive.

It is UNLAWFUL to fight in a war without a uniform or insigina! Torture is illegal... the question for you and your concerns for the opinion of the billions of people around the world is would you let those you beleive still to be alive die for the rule of law and billions of people in the worlds opinion?

We, the US have not signed a GC treaty that protects terrorist or any party that fights out of uniform. You are a liar if you say you would respect the concerns of others for the fate of those you love. You don't love America if you prevent the government from providing the LOVE for innocent Americans when dealing with UNLAWFUL combatants.
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Your a freak.

The insignia and uniform point is MOOT. It means NOTHING to me. And since this thread is not talking about the geneva conventions, as the creator of the thread already gave me hell for not going by his simple request.

As for your other comments.
You are assuming that torture produces results 100% of the time, which it does not.

Would you like to be tortured for intelligence information because you were caught selling fuel on the side of the road in order to support your family?
 
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wow people-lets save the hate fest for the violent jihadists rather than each other. I don't think Caine is a liar and I certainly don't think other americans ought to be wasted for being in favor of stopping the Islamist threat-even if they advocate some nastiness towards anti american terrorists.
 
Re: Doest torture work?

nogoodname said:
...................................................Dude you should die! How can you damn neo cons sit their and say "Its ok to torture" its ok to degrade human beings and make them less than animals? Its ok to beat them and torture them mentally and degrade their religion? Its ok to make them do sexual acts they don't want to? Are you KIDDING ME? People have to go to through years of psychiatry for getting rapped how long would it take for people who were tortured for years? Dude this is bull **** your willing to do all this for your protection. Your a coward Navy that your willing to sacerfice peoples freedoms and human rights for your own protection. Im leaving for today im getting pissed later all.
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Your breaking my heart you terrorist apologist......Don't let the door hit you in the *** on the way out.........
 
Re: Doest torture work?

nogoodname said:
I'm gonna retract my statement and Navy i would like to apologize but i believe that you shouldn't just be able to say that or do that just for your own protection. I know i went overboard because i was mad but I'm really sorry and i don't wish death on you or anything like that i was just angry.
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No problem but if someone in this forum upsets you that much by something they say I would find a new sand box if I was you........
 
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