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Does this seem subversive, compared to the description in the 1916 Democratic Party Platform?

Similarities? 1916 USA wasn't at war but as it is today, was actively supporting the nonaggressors.

  • Yes, I see similarities, I understand why you're asking.1916 "Americanism" is eeirly reminiscent

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  • Debatable, not sure there is a clear cut comparison here. GOP support of Trump's "asks" troubling

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  • No, I don't see similarities in asking Putin for evidence of Biden political corruption on 3/31/22

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  • No, I don't see similarities, I have no idea what you are talking about

    Votes: 1 50.0%

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"IV. Americanism​

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This is an issue of patriotism. To taint it with partisanship would be to defile it. In this day of test, America must show itself not a nation of partisans ...Whoever, actuated by the purpose to promote the interest of a foreign power, in disregard of our own country's welfare or to injure this government in its foreign relations.. . is faithless to the trust which the privileges of citizenship repose in him and is disloyal to his country.

We therefore condemn as subversive to this Nation's unity and integrity, and as destructive of its welfare, the activities and designs of every group or organization, political or otherwise, that has for its object the advancement of the interest of a foreign power, whether such object is promoted by intimidating the government, a political party, or representatives of the people, or which is calculated and tends to divide our people into antagonistic groups and thus to destroy that complete agreement and solidarity of the people and that unity of sentiment and purpose so essential to the perpetuity of the Nation and its free institutions. We condemn all alliances and combinations of individuals in this country, of whatever nationality or descent, who agree and conspire together for the purpose of embarrassing or weakening our government or of improperly influencing or coercing our public representatives in dealing or negotiating with any foreign power. We charge that such conspiracies among a limited number exist and have been instigated for the purpose of advancing the interests of foreign countries to the prejudice and detriment of our own country. We condemn any political party which, .. surrenders its integrity or modifies its policy."

Trump illegally asked Russia to help him win in 2016. He ...

https://www.usatoday.com › opinion ›
Jan 2, 2019 — ..help in finding Hillary Clinton's emails...

Analysis by Chris Cillizza
March 8, 2022
"..House minority whip was asked to look back on that 2019 call and consider what "rethinking" he had done on Trump withholding of foreign aid in hopes of luring the nation to announce an investigation of the Biden family.
To which Scalise respond this way:
"Zelensky had called President Trump to thank him for the leadership that he provided.."
..Scalise is wrong. It was not Zelensky calling Trump to "thank him for the leadership he provided." ...(Zelensky) even makes reference to that fact early in the call saying: "The first time you called me to congratulate me when I won.., and the second time you are now calling me when my party won the parliamentary election. I think I should run more often so you can call me more often,..."
Then there's what Scalise just yada-yadas over. . .., here's some of what Trump told Zelensky on that call:
* "I will say that we do a lot for Ukraine. We spend a lot of effort and a lot of time. Much more than the European countries are doing, and they should be helping you, more than they are."
* "I wouldn't say that it's reciprocal necessarily because things are happening that are not good but the U.S. has been very, very good to Ukraine."
* "There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the attorney general would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it. ... It sounds horrible to me."
So, .. Trump repeatedly reminds Zelensky how much the US does for Ukraine -- and how little, comparatively -- Ukraine does for the US. He then goes directly into his big ask: That Zelensky look into the Bidens' activities in Ukraine.
The call, which looked bad in the moment, looks even worse today. Trump was withholding aid to Ukraine in hopes of extracting a political weapon -- in the form of an investigation ..into Biden -- to be used in the 2020 election.
It's a call no one -- ..not the second ranking Republican in the House -- should forget.."
 
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