Does this college lecture on 20th century history ring any bells today?

[Grim17]

I watched about as much as I could stand to watch. What's that conservative pundit's point and what's your (@Grim17) point?

This pretty accurately describes what's going on with the Russo-Ukrainian War:

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Conservative pundit? Jordan Peterson?

He's not a conservative pundit and that was a lecture he gave to his students at the University of Toronto several years ago on human behavior. It had absolutely nothing to do with politics.

 

[Grim17]

Now you're making my argument. You're in total denial about the victim-hood of the right-wing-nuts in the Republican Party, and no doubt had your earplugs in, when you slept right through the bitching and moaning of the astro-turf Tea Party movement that put so many GOP Party members into Congress. More's the pity, Van Winkle.

Here's hoping you wake up.

You like to make accusations, but fail to substantiate them.

The Tea Party movement was millions of people who objected to political policy. They were not portrayed as, nor did they ever claim to be victims of anything. Their objections were strictly political and aimed at the democratic politicians in Washington. That isn't what we're seeing now from democrats and their supporters on the left, who are blaming whiteness for any and all disparities.

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[Grim17]

Nearly 1,000 instances of police brutality recorded in US anti-racism protests

Police attacks on citizens and journalists over five months accompanied by incidents of tolerance of or collaboration with far right

www.theguardian.com

Congratulations... You are obviously one of the many on the left perpetuation the victimhood narrative and must be extremely proud of yourself.

 

[Antiwar]

Conservative pundit? Jordan Peterson?

He's not a conservative pundit and that was a lecture he gave to his students at the University of Toronto several years ago on human behavior. It had absolutely nothing to do with politics.

Some conservatives think he's really smart.

"He has been regarded as a member of the informal Intellectual Dark Web, which has been described as a gateway into the alt-right."

Jordan Peterson

Jordan Bernt "Red Skull" Peterson[4] (1962–) is a Canadian (perhaps soon-to-be-former) clinical psychologist, a retired[5] University of Toronto psychology professor, and Ultracrepidarian par excellence.[6] He has falsely claimed to be both an evolutionary biologist[note 1] and a...

rationalwiki.org

 

[Grim17]

Some conservatives think he's really smart.

"He has been regarded as a member of the informal Intellectual Dark Web, which has been described as a gateway into the alt-right."

Jordan Peterson

Jordan Bernt "Red Skull" Peterson[4] (1962–) is a Canadian (perhaps soon-to-be-former) clinical psychologist, a retired[5] University of Toronto psychology professor, and Ultracrepidarian par excellence.[6] He has falsely claimed to be both an evolutionary biologist[note 1] and a...

rationalwiki.org

Think he's really smart? The man is brilliant which is why he sells out lecture halls all around the world and his books sell millions.

He is the most honest, down to earth person you will ever meet and unlike other intellectuals, truly cares for his fellow man regardless of their beliefs. If you doubt me, then might I recommend you watch this discussion that took place a few months ago on a podcast involving him and Africa Brooke.

 

[Antiwar]

Think he's really smart? The man is brilliant which is why he sells out lecture halls all around the world and his books sell millions.

He is the most honest, down to earth person you will ever meet and unlike other intellectuals, truly cares for his fellow man regardless of their beliefs. If you doubt me, then might I recommend you watch this discussion that took place a few months ago on a podcast involving him and Africa Brooke.

How about you paraphrase, quote, or otherwise show how he is brilliant by making one to four of his points?

 

[Grim17]

How about you paraphrase, quote, or otherwise show how he is brilliant by making one to four of his points?

It's a waste of time. Just watch the video I linked to of him and Africa Brooke and you will understand why anything I say to you will be useless.

The only way you could ever harbor anything but negativity toward Professor Peterson, is by having the courage to actually listen to what the man has to say himself. If you watch that clip and still want me to paraphrase some of his points, it tells me that you're too closed minded for me to even bother.

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[Antiwar]

It's a waste of time. Just watch the video I linked to of him and Africa Brooke and you will understand why anything I say to you will be useless.

The only way you could ever harbor anything but negativity toward Professor Peterson, is by having the courage to actually listen to what the man has to say himself. If you watch that clip and still want me to paraphrase some of his points, it tells me that you're too closed minded for me to even bother.

I've tried listening to him. You haven't tried making even one of his points, and you're falsely trying to blame me for that.

 

[Grim17]

I've tried listening to him. You haven't tried making even one of his points, and you're falsely trying to blame me for that.

I had hoped you might actually watch it, but it doesn't surprise me that you won't.

So as I said, it would be absolutely useless for me to paraphrase anything from him because you aren't capable of doing anything else but refuting and rejecting anything he has said or believes.

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[Antiwar]

I had hoped you might actually watch it, but it doesn't surprise me that you won't.

So as I said, it would be absolutely useless for me to paraphrase anything from him because you aren't capable of doing anything else but refuting and rejecting anything he has said or believes.

You're repeating yourself. Refer back to #33 so I don't have to "waste my time" repeating myself.

 

[LostinThought]

They were not out to overthrow the US government in a desperate attempt to install a dangerous, corrupt, strongman to protect them against those meanie “libtards” protesting police brutality.

“ Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.”
-Matthew 7:5

Strange, neither were the other ones. Even the FBI found that out to be the case.
But thanks for the deflection and your acceptance/defense for all of the murders, arson, robbery and general destruction that took place.

Hell, with people like you backing them. It's a wonder how any of those jackasses got caught in the first place..

 

[ataraxia]

Strange, neither were the other ones.

What were they there to do?

 

[LostinThought]

What were they there to do?

It was a protest that devolved into a riot.

 

[ataraxia]

It was a protest that devolved into a riot.

No- they were not there just to protest. They were there “fight like hell” to “stop the steal”- to keep the US government from doing its job in the legitimate transition of power, and illegitimately keep a lying, corrupt charlatan in office.

 

[Irredentist]

This lecture on pre WWII history of the Soviet Union was given several years ago at the University of Toronto by Professor Jordan Peterson. This was long before he was thrust into the public spotlight over the Canadian law mandating people use a persons preferred gender pronouns. It was titled "The Dangers of Victimhood That Leads to Genocide" by the creator of this animated version of his lecture, where Peterson talks about how the communists created a victimhood mentality and turned people against the Kulaks, and the results that followed which led to the death of millions of people.

This lecture is NOT POLITICAL at all. It's a lecture on human behavior given to phycology students based on what took place in the USSR in the 1920's and 1930's, and seems to have many parallels to what we're seeing take place in American society today. It truly scares the hell out of me. Watch it yourself and let me know what you think.



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It's easy to see how this same logic could be applied to the overwhelmingly white conservative voting block, who have been fed a diet of propaganda from right wing media, and made to believe that they are the victims of liberal progressive ideology. Their anti-immigration rhetoric, the idea that they need to "take back their country" and "put America first" all stem from their sense of victimhood.

 

[Torus34]

Scanning through the posts, I note that rock-throwing at 'them' is alive and well. This stands in contrast to, and acts as a barrier against, a deeper understanding of how political parties manipulate people and what there is about people -- that is, you and me, Gentle Reader -- that makes us manipulatable.

It ain't easy being the adult in the room. [Ed.: Those who read on multiple levels might wryly appreciate that sentence.]

Regards, stay safe 'n well 'n remember the Big 5.

 

[Grim17]

It's easy to see how this same logic could be applied to the overwhelmingly white conservative voting block, who have been fed a diet of propaganda from right wing media, and made to believe that they are the victims of liberal progressive ideology. Their anti-immigration rhetoric, the idea that they need to "take back their country" and "put America first" all stem from their sense of victimhood.

Again, political disagreement is not the same as victimhood.

Conservatives blame democrats and their progressive supporters for bad policy and don't claim to be victims of any race or class of people... The left tells minorities that they are being oppressed by white people and that our society was built upon, and centered around a system of racism that white people created for their own benefit. They tell women that they are victims and the gender pay gap is due to male discrimination and misogyny. They tell people in lower income brackets that they are oppressed and it's the rich preventing them from being successful.

The progressive left is centered on identity politics and is hell bent on starting a revolution and destroying our society from within.

 

[Irredentist]

Again, political disagreement is not the same as victimhood.

Conservatives blame democrats and their progressive supporters for bad policy and don't claim to be victims of any race or class of people... The left tells minorities that they are being oppressed by white people and that our society was built upon, and centered around a system of racism that white people created for their own benefit. They tell women that they are victims and the gender pay gap is due to male discrimination and misogyny. They tell people in lower income brackets that they are oppressed and it's the rich preventing them from being successful.

The progressive left is centered on identity politics and is hell bent on starting a revolution and destroying our society from within.

The issue is that conservatives largely play the exact same kind of identity politics. They believe that whites are actually the real victims of racism, and they believe that their country and their traditional social values are being stolen from them by the evil leftists. And they believe this so strongly that a mob of white conservatives actually invaded the Capitol building during a session of Congress to try and overturn a presidential election. I can only imagine what you would be saying had it been BLM or socialists doing something like that.

 

[Grim17]

The issue is that conservatives largely play the exact same kind of identity politics. They believe that whites are actually the real victims of racism,

Conservatives are pointing out REAL, DOCUMENTED instances over the last several years of actual racial discrimination against white people. There have been instances of schools engaging in racial segregation, acts of blatant racial discrimination, and even a political event held with a sign on the door that said no white members of the media allowed. Conservatives oppose ALL forms of racism no matter what race is being discriminated against.

and they believe that their country and their traditional social values are being stolen from them by the evil leftists.

You just nailed it... It's political disagreement, not claims of being victims.

And they believe this so strongly that a mob of white conservatives actually invaded the Capitol building during a session of Congress to try and overturn a presidential election.

That was a POLITICAL protest that got out of hand and turned violent by conservatives and republican voters, not a group of white supremacists.

I can only imagine what you would be saying had it been BLM or socialists doing something like that.

BLM specifically has race in in their name... Do you really not see the difference?

Remember how angry and violent BLM supporters got when anyone on the right said "all lives matter"? Do the math.

 

[VanceMack]

I watched it. As an abstract treatise on the psychology of victim-hood it might be noteworthy but, as expected, while it cites the Soviets, it offers no real distinction between the victim-hood of the left, or the victim-hood of the right. The rise of fascism in Europe was predicated on exactly the same claims of victim-hood as the old Soviet Union, and the slaughter and starvation perpetrated by Nazi-ism was no less unjust than exile to Siberia. Germany claimed they were victims of the successful Jews in business and banking, built gas chambers as a solution to their problems of being victims, and the images from those camps are eerily similar to the ones depicted in the video.

The wealthiest people in this country are not 200 times as productive. They aren't 200 times as talented. They're not 200 times as educated. They are not 200 times as creative. They aren't 200 times as intelligent. They don't work 200 times as many hours in a week as the working poor do. And yet they not only make 200 times more money, they make TWO THOUSAND TIMES AS MUCH MONEY!

We've reached the point where the distance between the "haves" and the "have nots" is so obscenely vast, 90% of the population are effectively victims of the wealthiest 10%.

You 'people' either keep forgetting or never knew....the 'poor' are not victims of 'the rich'. The poor are if anything 'victims' of their own choices or the choices of their parents. Wealth is not a zero sum game. It is not finite. The rich do not get rich by shoving your face in the mud and stealing your pennies. And you did not get poor because someone stole something from you.

FFS dood....the rich fund the social programs you people so desperately need in order to survive. the rich pay for your schools. They pay for your roads. They pay for your infrastructure. Hell...over 50% of you nt only dont pay taxes, but you get handout checks in the form of EIC gifts.

Your life would be better if you stopped running around claiming to be a victim of the wealthy and instead had a long hard talk with the person in the mirror responsible for your miserable existence.

 

[VanceMack]

Nearly 1,000 instances of police brutality recorded in US anti-racism protests

Police attacks on citizens and journalists over five months accompanied by incidents of tolerance of or collaboration with far right

www.theguardian.com

The idiot left commits violent acts and then cry because the police are mean to them and don't let them have their way.

 

[Irredentist]

Conservatives are pointing out REAL, DOCUMENTED instances over the last several years of actual racial discrimination against white people. There have been instances of schools engaging in racial segregation, acts of blatant racial discrimination, and even a political event held with a sign on the door that said no white members of the media allowed. Conservatives oppose ALL forms of racism no matter what race is being discriminated against.



You just nailed it... It's political disagreement, not claims of being victims.



That was a POLITICAL protest that got out of hand and turned violent by conservatives and republican voters, not a group of white supremacists.



BLM specifically has race in in their name... Do you really not see the difference?

Remember how angry and violent BLM supporters got when anyone on the right said "all lives matter"? Do the math.

As I suspected, you are too heavily biased to be able to acknowledge that white conservatives engage in exactly the same kind of victimhood politics that you accuse the left of. Try to look at the issue objectively, and you will see there is very little difference in the tactics used by either side. Both attempt to cast themselves as the true victims.

 

[MamboDervish]

You 'people' either keep forgetting or never knew....the 'poor' are not victims of 'the rich'. The poor are if anything 'victims' of their own choices or the choices of their parents. Wealth is not a zero sum game. It is not finite. The rich do not get rich by shoving your face in the mud and stealing your pennies. And you did not get poor because someone stole something from you.

FFS dood....the rich fund the social programs you people so desperately need in order to survive. the rich pay for your schools. They pay for your roads. They pay for your infrastructure. Hell...over 50% of you nt only dont pay taxes, but you get handout checks in the form of EIC gifts.

Your life would be better if you stopped running around claiming to be a victim of the wealthy and instead had a long hard talk with the person in the mirror responsible for your miserable existence.

This is abject ignorance, or outright lies. I'm guessing the former.

 

[VanceMack]

This is abject ignorance, or outright lies. I'm guessing the former.

Its not ignorance nor or lies...its fact. The rich are not oppressing you, they are carrying you. The only areas at all where you can find systemic poverty is in the major cities run by the rat party you support.

 

[Tigerace117]

Its not ignorance nor or lies...its fact. The rich are not oppressing you, they are carrying you. The only areas at all where you can find systemic poverty is in the major cities run by the rat party you support.

I’m sure the opioid riddled hellholes of Trumpistan....also known as West Virginia and similar such states.....would be happy to know their issues are all imaginary