Timmy boy said:
I think your problem as a conservative is that you don't have any humanity or compassion to you. Alot of conservatives I have met seem to care less about others and are violence prone people. I guess it makes sense since alot of them do support the death penalty.
This is just useless stereotyping.
Timmy boy said:
The death penalty has been proven to be ineffective as a deturrent.
Untrue, it is a very effective deturrent, but so is ripping limbs off/killing family members/disemboweling but that doesn't make them morally right.
It is an effective deturrent (to say otherwise makes little sense) but that fact alone doesn't justify it.
Timmy Boy said:
It is designed to provide the victim with a sense of revenge. Tooth for tooth eye for eye and everybody is blind.
Mostly true, I especially like the quote ripped off from Gandhi.
Timmy boy said:
The death penalty, World Wars I and II, genocides across the globe represent the capacity of man to be blind and hateful and represents the possibility that this blindness and hate is what will eventually lead the human species to completely and utterly wiping itself into extinction and non-existance. The death penalty is nothing more than a barbaric act of vengence. It is not justice.
Again, you pass into "not cool" territory. People put people to death because they think that it is morally dependable. Capital punishment is not comparable to genocide and war because people do them from different reasons. People don't want to put people to death for the same reasons that people go to war, or the same reasons that genocide is committed.
I agree that capital punishment is wrong, but I disagree with left wing (and right wing for that matter) political garbage.
Timmy boy said:
Government is also a teacher. It teaches by it's example. The Death Penalty certainly is not a good example. It teaches that revenge and violence is OK to solving one's problems. It is one of many reasons why the US is a violent and crime ridden society.
I want to agree with you so bad, you are arguing my side! I just can't agree with your leftist political rantings.
jamesrage said:
If these numbers are correct and someone serves a life sentence of 45 year and the time value of money is not taken into account the overall cost per lifer is $1,800,000 .
Where are your numbers to back up a claim it cost more to execute the scumbags you feel so ****en sorry for?
I don't think that money is comparable to a human life, and it should not be considered when deciding whether to take a life or not, it's just too demoralizing.
Jamesrage said:
I realy doubt a murderer's familiy member is crying over the death of a murderer.
I don't see how this is relevant. I won't cry if someone I don't know dies, does that make them worthless?
The point was that the prisoner's family would suffer, thereby increasing the family's suffering for what? Revenge? Justice?
jamesrage said:
Let me explain a life sentence to you.I kill your brother and or sister.Now you get to pay for my room and board for the rest of my life plus the wieghts I get to use, the books I get to read,the legal advice I get to use,internet,video games,television and so on.
All of which can be changed without killing anyone. Why is there no middle ground with you people? More political garbage (of the opposite side of the political spectrum than last time though). We either keep the murderer in prison comfortably or we kill them?
You can take away the comfortable lodgings if you want, or any number of things to alleviate this problem. Your argument is flawed.
God is Holy said:
Romans 13
1 Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God.
2 Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves.
3 For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same;
4 for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil.
(NAS95)
Proverbs 21
1 The king's heart is like channels of water in the hand of the LORD; He turns it wherever He wishes.
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Proverbs 16
33 The lot is cast into the lap, But its every decision is from the LORD.
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Numbers 35
30 'If anyone kills a person, the murderer shall be put to death at the evidence of witnesses, but no person shall be put to death on the testimony of one witness.
31 'Moreover, you shall not take ransom for the life of a murderer who is guilty of death, but he shall surely be put to death.
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Deuteronomy 19
21 "Thus you shall not show pity: life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.
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Exodus 21
23 "But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life,
24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
25 burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.
(NAS95)
Why should a book I make be the governing text of our nation and not yours? What makes yours better?
jamesrage said:
SO you think it is okay for the to have televisions,education,internet,free legal advice,sex changes(google it before questioning me), and so on.If you were from Sanfrancisco the only difference between prison and Safransicko is the fact you can not walk outside the prison.As far as I am concerned the only thing prisoners need is brebread,water and hard labor.
Ah, walk the middle ground! See what it's like before deciding anything.
jamesrage said:
The thing about you anti-death penalty feel sorry for vermin people is that you could care less how guilty the individual is.There could be video evidence,confession,finger prints on the weapon and ballistics test to confirm the weapon used and so on and you feel sorry for vermin anti-death penalty people would still want him to live off tax payer dollar and you would help lobby for laws making it more costly to execute him.
The question is: is it moral to kill someone in cold blood for any reason (as apposed to "hot blood" where there is heated action going on, such as being attacked or being surprised)?
kal-el said:
Why not? I don't know about internet, and others. Just the basic necessaties. But society's safety can be assured with a life sentence without parole, hence the criminal will never return to society.
Ah, more refreshing middle ground.
God is Holy said:
God is merely a riddle to you because you don't understand Him or His holy word. This is common among sinners who don't know God.
How do you know that you're not the sinner and I'm the one who interprets God's words correctly?
"Thou salt not kill" I'm gona have to say... this means you're not supposed to kill people... but I guess commandments can be broken if you have a really good reason eh? So what is the Bible for again?
jamesrage said:
So you take back your statement about the system being racist because it put you on the same boat as your Nazi buddy?
I like political garbage.
jamesrage said:
Liberalism kills people like Terry Schiavo and others in her condition.
And a little more...
jamesrage said:
JUdging by that idiotic stamtent you think we should just let murderers go and not make them serve no time at all or pay a price for commiting their crime.
Holy crap is there more...
jamesrage said:
So you are saying the murderer's vicitms are not innocent?
Oh yeah, theres more.
God is Holy said:
I made no excuse for anything. I made a statement about my beliefs. Please try to understand what a person is saying before responding. Communication is more straightforward that way.
I think that I used that exact phrase ("Please try to understand") when talking to God-is-Holy in another thread... Yeah he didn't listen.
He lives in his own world, where no one can challenge him, and arguments against him can simply be ignored... I envy him in a way...
kal-el said:
That's a big negative there. How, pry tell, does the fact that the death penalty is racist, have anything in common with Hitler? You are not making sense here.
But it sure sounded cool
Attempts to associate a opponent debater with Hitler or Nazis is not new, people do it all the time when the can't think of anything to say (Example: "Oh yeah... well... well... You're a freaking Nazi is what! What now?! What now Nazi?!").
Oh, it never gets old.
kal-el [talking about jamesrage) said:
Once again, how the hell did you come up with this, try actually thinking before typing.
Okay, some of it gets old.
kal-el said:
Wow, calm down there. Forgot to change your pad?
Unnecessary.
God is Holy said:
It doesn't matter what you or I say. It matters what God says.
I tried goggling for some type of audio file for when God said this, but you know what, I couldn't find it... so, uh, yeah.
God is Holy said:
That's still no excuse for sin.
If I typed: "lala la la la lala" as my response to your post, you wouldn't know the difference, would you...