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Does society say a straight person can turn gay but a gay person can't turn straight?

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I heard a stat that more young people are identifying as LGBT. I am getting the feeling that these advocates day that a straight people can turn gay with enough exposure. And then there is the anti conversion therapy guys.

What is the logic here?
 

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I think there's a difference between sexuality being somewhat fluid and changing over time, versus someone trying to force it to change (i.e. conversion therapy). The "born this way" formulation is probably not totally accurate, since some people do change their preferences over the course of their lives. But I don't think it follows that people can fake it until they make it, pretending to be something they aren't. That's a surefire way to be miserable.
 

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Women can switch hit but not so much for guys.
 

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I heard a stat that more young people are identifying as LGBT. I am getting the feeling that these advocates day that a straight people can turn gay with enough exposure. And then there is the anti conversion therapy guys.

What is the logic here?
You are arguing over social labels that don't actually exist outside of language and tradition. "Gay" and "straight" are not scientific categories, any more than "friend" and "acquaintance" are scientifically defined. They're loose social labels we apply to certain kinds of relationships for communication purposes, buy these labels have no reality outside of social interaction. There is no measurable point where a person transforms from being "straight" into being "gay," or vice versa. Sexuality is a spectrum, which is why the LGBT community uses rainbow symbolism. People we call "straight" simply have a tendency to be attracted to the opposite sex, people we call "gay" tend to be attracted to the same sex, people in the "middle" tend to be attracted to both sexes or different sexes at different times, but we all move through and exist somewhere on this spectrum.

Who we choose to be involved with romantically doesn't change anything about who we are. It just has the potential to confuse people who need labels in order to better understand how human sexual selection works.
 

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I think there's a difference between sexuality being somewhat fluid and changing over time, versus someone trying to force it to change (i.e. conversion therapy). The "born this way" formulation is probably not totally accurate, since some people do change their preferences over the course of their lives. But I don't think it follows that people can fake it until they make it, pretending to be something they aren't. That's a surefire way to be miserable.
And some people just like to have sex. Pansexuality is a thing.
 

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I find it interesting that the OP makes an assertion as if fact, but doesn't provide a source or a link.

I guess "I heard" will have to substitute for fact.

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I heard a stat that more young people are identifying as LGBT. I am getting the feeling that these advocates day that a straight people can turn gay with enough exposure. And then there is the anti conversion therapy guys.

What is the logic here?


Why do you care?
 

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Identifying does not equal converting. Start there, eh?
That would be completely shockingly obvious, except for people who agree with the OP.

People are assumed to be hetero until they come out and say that they are LGB, but that doesn't mean that they always are hetero. That is why I used the word assumed.


Women can switch hit but not so much for guys.
Have you ever heard the phrase.......On The Down Low?

 

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I heard a stat that more young people are identifying as LGBT. I am getting the feeling that these advocates day that a straight people can turn gay with enough exposure. And then there is the anti conversion therapy guys.

What is the logic here?
What? Nobody is saying that.

Clearly, more people identify openly as LGBT because it's become way more socially acceptable to be so nowadays. Not that straight people are "turning" gay.
 

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I heard a stat that more young people are identifying as LGBT. I am getting the feeling that these advocates day that a straight people can turn gay with enough exposure. And then there is the anti conversion therapy guys.

What is the logic here?

No one says such a stupid thing. WTF is up with that nonsense?
 

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No one says such a stupid thing. WTF is up with that nonsense?
It's a fact-free conservative talking point to bolster the claim that some people are grooming kids to be LGBT. They need to be able to claim that someone who is hetero or to a lesser extent CIS can be turned gay or trans by being "groomed" by gay or trans activists, that don't actually exist.
 

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I heard a stat that more young people are identifying as LGBT. I am getting the feeling that these advocates day that a straight people can turn gay with enough exposure. And then there is the anti conversion therapy guys.

What is the logic here?
That was all resolved with "transgenderism". When it was decided that anyone could, and in fact WAS, whatever they say they are at any given time then the whole issue of "can they change" goes out the window because, according to the scientific experts, we are all what we know we are at any given moment.
 

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I keep missing why we return to this topic again and again. Gay people are just like straight people. Some are good some are bad. Some are smart some are not. Some are monogamous some are players.

The important thing to remember is that they not be judged by there sexuality anymore than by their color, race, or religion. Let's go with the content of their character. I grew up with LGBTQ people my whole life. It's boring. They're just people.
 

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What? Nobody is saying that.

Clearly, more people identify openly as LGBT because it's become way more socially acceptable to be so nowadays. Not that straight people are "turning" gay.


People more socially accept homosexuality now, because they fought for it.

The first "gay pride" parade I attended as a reporter was in 1979. For four and a half DECADES they demonstrated, staged rallies, lobbied Parliament and became louder and louder, with my help. It was 1997 when my MLA presented the bill legalizing gay marriage in Canada. 18 YEARS!

From some of the posts one might get the impression that Americans think that "gay" is somehow contagious.

For the record, I have a lot of respect for the whole community. 34 years ago when I was first seeking a sober life it was gays who rallied for me. Some of those guys are friends to this day. Never once in my life has a gay EVER tried to convert me. Meanwhile every few blocks there's a grim faced, determined Christian trying to sell me his idea of "god".
 

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That was all resolved with "transgenderism". When it was decided that anyone could, and in fact WAS, whatever they say they are at any given time then the whole issue of "can they change" goes out the window because, according to the scientific experts, we are all what we know we are at any given moment.
What is your source for this idiocy? I want a link.

99% of people are CISgender and will always be cisgender because it is not a choice to be transgender. People are born transgender because of their gender identity. This isn't a choice and it can't be taught or encouraged by watching Rachel Maddow or with a donation to Obama or George Soros.. Who told you otherwise?

The fact that trans people exist and have the ability to come out and seek medical transition care doesnt mean that all people will come out or that trans activists w are supporting that idea. Are these supposed trans activists also socialists, Marxists, commies, liberals, and devoted followers of George Soros, Obama, and Alinsky?
 

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What is your source for this idiocy? I want a link.

99% of people are CISgender and will always be cisgender because it is not a choice to be transgender. People are born transgender because of their gender identity. This isn't a choice and it can't be taught or encouraged by watching Rachel Maddow or with a donation to Obama or George Soros.. Who told you otherwise?

The fact that trans people exist and have the ability to come out and seek medical transition care doesnt mean that all people will come out or that trans activists w are supporting that idea. Are these supposed trans activists also socialists, Marxists, commies, liberals, and devoted followers of George Soros, Obama, and Alinsky?
And if Chester the Molester decides to claim he's trans, puts on a dress and hangs out at the children's locker room at the Y then we, as a society, just need to live with that because who are we to tell him what gender he should identify as, right?
 

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And if Chester the Molester decides to claim he's trans, puts on a dress and hangs out at the children's locker room at the Y then we, as a society, just need to live with that because who are we to tell him what gender he should identify as, right?
What defines a pedophile is pedophilia. Not clothing.
 

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What defines a pedophile is pedophilia. Not clothing.
And because of that we need to wait until the baby raper does his thing before taking any precautions? Weird behaviors, and that includes cross dressing, need to be looked into ESPECIALLY when looking after children.
 

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And because of that we need to wait until the baby raper does his thing before taking any precautions? Weird behaviors, and that includes cross dressing, need to be looked into ESPECIALLY when looking after children.

This is the cross-dresser that needs to be investigated for crimes against children and teens

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Is he/she talking about HRT, begging to transition, and seeing a therapist? Most trans people only start to use the bathroom of their identity after they have begun to pass, so your idea is very unlikely to happen unless he is a republican, a youth minister or a priest.

It takes more than a dress/heels to be trans. This is the difference between being a drag queen and being trans, but you don't understand psychological gender identity.
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This is the cross-dresser that needs to be investigated for crimes against children and teens






Is he/she talking about HRT, begging to transition, and seeing a therapist? Most trans people only start to use the bathroom of their identity after they have begun to pass, so your idea is very unlikely to happen unless he is a republican, a youth minister or a priest.

It takes more than a dress/heels to be trans. This is the difference between being a drag queen and being trans, but you don't understand psychological gender identity.
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And, naturally, we end up at the anti-religion place. That seems to be the core of so much left wing ideology. I can't even tell how much of what you lefties say you believe is actually what you believe or if you just keep saying shit because you so much enjoy bashing anyone that believes in God.
 

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And because of that we need to wait until the baby raper does his thing before taking any precautions? Weird behaviors, and that includes cross dressing, need to be looked into ESPECIALLY when looking after children.
Normally we do wait for people to commit criminal acts, before we investigate them as criminals for those acts. There are some red flags we can pay attention to with regard to pedophiles grooming kids. The thing about pedophiles , is that they don't want to stick out. They prefer to blend in and look inconspicuous. Drag regalia is not normally viewed as a good way to 'blend in'
 

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And, naturally, we end up at the anti-religion place. That seems to be the core of so much left wing ideology. I can't even tell how much of what you lefties say you believe is actually what you believe or if you just keep saying shit because you so much enjoy bashing anyone that believes in God.
Conservative religious belief is at the very core of LGBT bigotry and to wider extent racism and misogyny. That is why the Republicans are using it to pander to the bigoted religious right.

The Klan doesnt burn crosses for a larger surface area for the flame. The Klan hates LGBT people, non-whites, immigrants, women's rights, Jews, and even Catholics like Biden.
 
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