aberrant85
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Unless the piecemeal funding is for Obamacare, the answer would be no.
Does the budget involved in the shutdown include ACA?
Does the budget involved in the shutdown include ACA?
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/06/u...nservatives-find-favor-for-government.html?hp
With all the rifts opening in the GOP, the one tenet the party stood united for was that the federal government was too big and spent too much money. Surely such a bloated monstrosity such as this could go without a few days of spending, so the House Republicans had no problem shutting down the government by refusing to pass a clean CR.
Fox News even took to calling the shutdown a "slimdown." It's like a diet for the government! Isn't that cute?
Now, however, after receiving near universal condemnation and blame for the situation, the House Republicans attempted to pass a series of piecemeal funding approvals for various popular, very visible programs.
The party that pushed the last debt ceiling crisis that resulted in the Sequester that cut funding to nutrition programs for women and children, cancer research, national parks, the entire District of Columbia, and the VA, now wants to fully fund these and other programs and is calling the Democrats cruel for refusing to reinstate these vital government services.
And now, faced with the negative press of having withheld paychecks from more than a million government workers, the House unanimously passed a bill to give full back pay to all furloughed employees.
To wit: the party that HATES excessive government spending now cares deeply about the continuation of the good work our government does.
The party that RAILS AGAINST WELFARE QUEENS will now pay more than a million people to not go to work and go home and watch TV.
The one "plus" of a government shutdown, saving the government billions of dollars in wages, is now replaced by the country's largest temporary expansion of welfare.
All in protest of a government program that pays for itself and shrinks the deficit.
Has the party of "fiscal responsibility" completely revealed its underlying hypocrisy, unable to stomach the actual results of their most ardent beliefs?
I do think the shut down of government over defunding the ACA is stupid. But a couple of interesting polls on the shutdown. CBS poll show 44% blame the Republicans 35% blame Obama the Democrats and 17% blame both parties. So by 9 points America is blaming the republicans more than the Dems. Another way to look at it is add the 17% who blame both parties to each of the major parties and you get 61% of America blame the Republicans or both parties and 52% blame the democrats or both parties.
FOX News poll has it 25% blaming the congressional republicans, 24% blaming President Obama, 20% blaming the President, the Republicans and the Democrats, everyone. 17% blame the tea party and 8% congressional democrats.
One more note, back in 1996 during that shutdown, 51% blamed congressional republicans vs. only 28% blaming Clinton.
So make what you will of these polls, they will be changing as time goes by. But so far there is plenty of blame to go around to both parties and the president.
Enter the latest dynamic, darrel Issa.
You just can'tor make this stuff up Pero.
What I am saying is everybody is taking a hit over this stupid ploy. Especially among independents. We both know die hard Republicans will back the house no matter what and die hard Democrats the president and senator reid. I would say those whom are blaming both parties are the independents who have no party affiliation. So if the 20% mark is right about blaming both parties, I would say they are independents and they would make up approximately half of all who classify themselves as so.
Which means we are probably back to the 2012 election, which Repubs are still in denial of.
IMV, the gaffes from Speaker Cruz and the House loons like Neugebrauer have moved that needle to the Dems.
Oh, I have no doubt that even among independents, the Republicans are taking more of the blame.
Cuccinelli refused to be photographed with Cruz tonight at Cooch's fund-raiser.
Cooch only spoke for 10 minutes and then left before Cruz spoke.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/06/u...nservatives-find-favor-for-government.html?hp
With all the rifts opening in the GOP, the one tenet the party stood united for was that the federal government was too big and spent too much money. Surely such a bloated monstrosity such as this could go without a few days of spending, so the House Republicans had no problem shutting down the government by refusing to pass a clean CR.
Fox News even took to calling the shutdown a "slimdown." It's like a diet for the government! Isn't that cute?
Now, however, after receiving near universal condemnation and blame for the situation, the House Republicans attempted to pass a series of piecemeal funding approvals for various popular, very visible programs.
The party that pushed the last debt ceiling crisis that resulted in the Sequester that cut funding to nutrition programs for women and children, cancer research, national parks, the entire District of Columbia, and the VA, now wants to fully fund these and other programs and is calling the Democrats cruel for refusing to reinstate these vital government services.
And now, faced with the negative press of having withheld paychecks from more than a million government workers, the House unanimously passed a bill to give full back pay to all furloughed employees.
To wit: the party that HATES excessive government spending now cares deeply about the continuation of the good work our government does.
The party that RAILS AGAINST WELFARE QUEENS will now pay more than a million people to not go to work and go home and watch TV.
The one "plus" of a government shutdown, saving the government billions of dollars in wages, is now replaced by the country's largest temporary expansion of welfare.
All in protest of a government program that pays for itself and shrinks the deficit.
Has the party of "fiscal responsibility" completely revealed its underlying hypocrisy, unable to stomach the actual results of their most ardent beliefs?
Very true. It's a hypocritical to say "shut down the government" and then try to pay people for not working. I'm for back paying people that show up and work despite shutdown, but you're right, paying people for not being at work makes no sense.
Very true. It's a hypocritical to say "shut down the government" and then try to pay people for not working. I'm for back paying people that show up and work despite shutdown, but you're right, paying people for not being at work makes no sense.
Which means we are probably back to the 2012 election, which Repubs are still in denial of.
IMV, the gaffes from Speaker Cruz and the House loons like Neugebrauer have moved that needle to the Dems.
Yep, the whole thing smacks of lack of discipline. If you're going to shut down the gov't out of principle, at least own it and don't go blaming the other side.
What is completely hypocritical is for Boner to say "This isn't a damn game".....all the time the teabaggers and the rest of the GOP are playing the worst form of gamesmanship possible. Isn't a "game" Mr. Boner? Then put your money where your mouth is and put a clean and complete spending bill to an up/down vote. ......yeah......thought so.
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