Does fact checking discriminate against conservatives? (1 Viewer)

[Lord of Planar]

MAGAs are massive liars.

It makes one wonder what they're teaching their kids.

I see far more lies from the left. Over and over, repeating lies proven wrong from decades back even.

 

[craig]

If you're in the middle of negotiations you can't tell the public or you risk derailing your progress. You don't want to hear... county X got 14% what about us?

Why does Trump negotiate in public?

 

[vanceen]

Conservatives seem to say that fact checking is against free speech and that implies it discriminates against conservatives who are most vocal about ending the practice. So do you believe that checking for facts is discriminating against conservatives and what are facts? Let us take vaccines and autism. The studies show that there is no connection proven between the use of vaccines and autism, but many people still believe there is a connection. So, when someone writes that you should have your children skip the childhood vaccines because they cause autism, should the articles include the facts that all studies have shown it not to be true?

I'm genuinely curious... Which "conservatives" are saying that "fact checking is against free speech"?

And if some conservatives said such a thing, what was it that convinced you that all conservatives in general have that view?

 

[Lord of Planar]

From the study's supplement:

Slant refers to how the statement was classified by crowdworkers on Amazon Mechanical Turk.​

 

[Hamish Howl]

The 'fact check' is nothing more than a meme and a vehicle to provide one side of an issue. In the end you have to do your own fact checking and you still might be wrong.

Nonsense. Don't post bullshit sources, don't get fact checked.

 

[lynnwinslow]

I see far more lies from the left. Over and over, repeating lies proven wrong from decades back even.

Name three oft repeated lies about MAGA that you've seen in here over the past 6 months or so.

 

[Lord of Planar]

The true and false criteria are equally bad. Here is the full wording of both:

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False statement wording. A political claim is false if it is inconsistent with the conclusions of​

people holding relevant expertise, including journalists, scientists, and eyewitnesses. Slant refers​

to how the statement was classified by crowdworkers on Amazon Mechanical Turk.​

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True statement wording. A political claim is true if it is consistent with the conclusions of people​

holding relevant expertise, including journalists, scientists, and eyewitnesses. Slant refers to how​

the statement was classified by crowdworkers on Amazon Mechanical Turk.​

Really now? Including journalists for true and false? Using Amazon Crowdworkers to made determinations?

Just how lame is this?

 

[Lord of Planar]

Name three oft repeated lies about MAGA that you've seen in here over the past 6 months or so.

Why? They always get dismissed. Not wasting my time with that.

Here you are, believing the results of a study because it fits your confirmation bias. If you really cared, you would do like I did. Pull up the link to the study, and use your own judgement instead of being spoon-fed the authors opinion from the article.

 

[JMB1911A1]

 

[lynnwinslow]

Why? They always get dismissed. Not wasting my time with that.

So you've responded to questions about specific liberal lies before in here? Can you link the comments?

Here you are, believing the results of a study because it fits your confirmation bias. If you really cared, you would do like I did. Pull up the link to the study, and use your own judgement instead of being spoon-fed the authors opinion from the article.

I've made no assumptions about the study. You made a comment about liberal lies, I asked you to expound.

 

[Lord of Planar]

So you've responded to questions about specific liberal lies before in here? Can you link the comments?

I've made no assumptions about the study. You made a comment about liberal lies, I asked you to expound.

The big one that keeps coming up even today has to do with the 70's lawsuit against president Trump right after he was given a corporate VP job from his father. The discrimination of blacks in rentals. Everything the left keeps saying about that is a lie. The findings show that he had more black percentages renting units than other places. The findings show that one individual manager of many places may have been biased against blacks. The issue was settled, and Trump corp. or whatever it was called. They agreed to post required signage from new regulations they did not post yet, and do more advertising in black neighborhood.

You can take any of the crap the left says about president Trump, and find lie after lie. The lies from the pate, are so pervasive, I consider them all lies until proven otherwise.

Look at how many times the left claims he was found guilty on things he settled. That is not "found guilty." That is expediency. Then he has settled too many times in my opinion, and known for giving cash to lairs because it is cheaper than a court trial.

I don't get it. The truth about him is damning enough. But when the hate adds lies to the truth, and the lies exposed, it throws away the credibility of the existing lies.

 

[noonereal]

The big one that keeps coming up even today has to do with the 70's lawsuit against president Trump right after he was given a corporate VP job from his father. The discrimination of blacks in rentals. Everything the left keeps saying about that is a lie. The findings show that he had more black percentages renting units than other places. The findings show that one individual manager of many places may have been biased against blacks. The issue was settled, and Trump corp. or whatever it was called. They agreed to post required signage from new regulations they did not post yet, and do more advertising in black neighborhood.

You can take any of the crap the left says about president Trump, and find lie after lie. The lies from the pate, are so pervasive, I consider them all lies until proven otherwise.

Look at how many times the left claims he was found guilty on things he settled. That is not "found guilty." That is expediency. Then he has settled too many times in my opinion, and known for giving cash to lairs because it is cheaper than a court trial.

I don't get it. The truth about him is damning enough. But when the hate adds lies to the truth, and the lies exposed, it throws away the credibility of the existing lies.

cut the shit

53 Trump nominees
one is black

enough said

 

[craig]

I'm genuinely curious... Which "conservatives" are saying that "fact checking is against free speech"?

And if some conservatives said such a thing, what was it that convinced you that all conservatives in general have that view?

Not conservatives. Only MAGA supporters who call any facts they don't like "fake news" or any criticism of Trump "TDS". That is cult behavior that grew out of QAnon.

QAnon is a decentralized, far-right political movement rooted in a baseless conspiracy theory that the world is controlled by the “Deep State,” a cabal of Satan-worshipping pedophiles, and that former President Donald Trump is the only person who can defeat it.

https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/qanon

 

[JMB1911A1]

cut the shit

53 Trump nominees
one is black

enough said

So skin color is the most important criteria for you?

 

[craig]

So skin color is the most important criteria for you?

The laws of probability are.

 

[JMB1911A1]

The laws of probability are.

So, you approve of Joe Biden excluding 90% of the population when he established that both his VP and SCOTUS nominee had to be “black females”?

Heck, if Joe had used ability to pick VP, that person would probably be President right now. So, overall, picking Kamala was a win for the country.

 

[Ishm]

You cannot control countries communicating among themselves unless they sign up to a non-disclosure agreement. And if they sign up to one, they're going to make you sign up to it to because they don't want Trump telling your own people what's happening because that's you job to do. Negotiations is a delicate stage for everyone, you can't just tell the public and screw around with their expectations.

Sure, but that has never stopped Trump from bragging about whatever he wants, whenever he wants to.

 

[Ikari]

Conservatives seem to say that fact checking is against free speech and that implies it discriminates against conservatives who are most vocal about ending the practice. So do you believe that checking for facts is discriminating against conservatives and what are facts? Let us take vaccines and autism. The studies show that there is no connection proven between the use of vaccines and autism, but many people still believe there is a connection. So, when someone writes that you should have your children skip the childhood vaccines because they cause autism, should the articles include the facts that all studies have shown it not to be true?

It only discriminates against them if they're lying.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

Conservatives seem to say that fact checking is against free speech and that implies it discriminates against conservatives who are most vocal about ending the practice. So do you believe that checking for facts is discriminating against conservatives and what are facts? Let us take vaccines and autism. The studies show that there is no connection proven between the use of vaccines and autism, but many people still believe there is a connection. So, when someone writes that you should have your children skip the childhood vaccines because they cause autism, should the articles include the facts that all studies have shown it not to be true?

It does not. It stops them from lying, and lying is all they have.

 

[Ikari]

I see far more lies from the left. Over and over, repeating lies proven wrong from decades back even.

Adopting the MAGA strategy then.

 

[lynnwinslow]

The big one that keeps coming up even today has to do with the 70's lawsuit against president Trump right after he was given a corporate VP job from his father. The discrimination of blacks in rentals. Everything the left keeps saying about that is a lie. The findings show that he had more black percentages renting units than other places. The findings show that one individual manager of many places may have been biased against blacks. The issue was settled, and Trump corp. or whatever it was called. They agreed to post required signage from new regulations they did not post yet, and do more advertising in black neighborhood.

You can take any of the crap the left says about president Trump, and find lie after lie. The lies from the pate, are so pervasive, I consider them all lies until proven otherwise.

Look at how many times the left claims he was found guilty on things he settled. That is not "found guilty." That is expediency. Then he has settled too many times in my opinion, and known for giving cash to lairs because it is cheaper than a court trial.

I don't get it. The truth about him is damning enough. But when the hate adds lies to the truth, and the lies exposed, it throws away the credibility of the existing lies.

I asked you to name three oft repeated lies about MAGA that you have seen in here in the last six months

The only specific lie you've told me about it is the one about the racial discrimination suit from almost 50 years ago. And you've provided no evidence that the lie is oft repeated here or that your interpretation is the actual truth.

 

[devildavid]

Fact checking definitely doesn’t support Trump or his cult. His one time barefoot couch sitting gal pal coined the term “alternative facts” to attempt to claim that facts are just opinions that can’t be checked.

 

[devildavid]

If you're talking politics almost everything is actually an opinion.

Except for the alternative facts that Trump uses. Those are called lies.

 

[devildavid]

Most fact checkers are made by lefties, so the fact checkers themself start with a bias.

No basis at all for this, but the lefties thank you for the compliment. I guess righties are too deep into propaganda to even want there to be any fact checking.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

I'm genuinely curious... Which "conservatives" are saying that "fact checking is against free speech"?

And if some conservatives said such a thing, what was it that convinced you that all conservatives in general have that view?

Conservatives are ignorant lying sacks of fecal matter who do not want to be fact checked because when it happens, their lies are pointed out.

Conservatives spew bullshit which gulable people believe. If they cannot spew bullshit, they cannot get elected.