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Does bathroom "policies" like Target's make their bathrooms less safe?

Does bathroom "policies" like Target's make their bathrooms less safe?


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Yes, another thread about this. I'm especially interested in what DP's female posters think.
 

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No. Public restrooms rely on one main factor for safety, unpredictability of use. Laws preventing certain people from entering restrooms only really keep those who don't want to use those particular restrooms out, out or cause issues for many people, especially those who don't "look" like they belong in a certain restroom, including harassment over the way they look.

If someone is willing to break a law that says they can't loiter in a restroom to look at people, can't peep on others under or over the stalls, can't harass others in the bathroom, can't attack others in the bathroom, or can't record others in the restroom, why in the world would they obey a law that simply says they can't be in a certain bathroom?
 

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Personally, I don't have an issue with that, probably peed next to a number of transgender over the years.
What I will state, over and over, again is that we should not dismiss fears, however irrational we think they may be. People do NOT fear transgenders. What people fear is that this open policy has opened the door for perverts, pretending to be transies, taking advantage of the situation.
Will it happen often? Probable not. Just don't count out the possibility, for we don't have a guarantee it won't happen. That makes it a legit concern
 

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... What I will state, over and over, again is that we should not dismiss fears, however irrational we think they may be. People do NOT fear transgenders. What people fear is that this open policy has opened the door for perverts, pretending to be transies, taking advantage of the situation. ...

That's the core of the problem. Until recently, the site of a male going into a female restroom would raise concerns. Now we won't know if something's amiss. Maybe the male is a pervert or maybe he just thinks he's a female.
 

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Absolutely. When you consider the percentage of "transgender" people as compared to the percentage of pervs, it's a no-brainer.
 

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Because they can be penalized for being there.

They can be penalized for doing those things they aren't supposed to do. But there is no reason to penalize people for being someplace that others think they shouldn't be just because others have some irrational fear. If someone really wanted to attack someone in the restroom, take the risk of someone catching them, they aren't going to care about being penalized for being in the restroom.
 

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Absolutely. When you consider the percentage of "transgender" people as compared to the percentage of pervs, it's a no-brainer.

The percentage of "pervs" who would risk trying something in the restroom is extremely small compared to the percentage of even transgender people, let alone gender nonconforming people, who are going to face harassment over laws like this.
 

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That's the core of the problem. Until recently, the site of a male going into a female restroom would raise concerns. Now we won't know if something's amiss. Maybe the male is a pervert or maybe he just thinks he's a female.

And women can be perverts, or those male perverts could go into the mens room and just spy on little boys or grown men.
 

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Yes, another thread about this. I'm especially interested in what DP's female posters think.



Honestly I'm pretty indifferent to bathroom policy.... EXCEPT as a precedent for things like the High School male-female transgender, pre-op, who a federal court ruled HAD to be allowed to shower and change in the girl's locker room with the other girls, and that a seperate facility for transgenders was not acceptable. THAT is where we run into trouble IMHO...



I keep coming back to how we did it in LE years ago.... pointers to the right, setters to the left. Keeps trouble to a minimum and even makes sense.
 

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They can be penalized for doing those things they aren't supposed to do. But there is no reason to penalize people for being someplace that others think they shouldn't be just because others have some irrational fear. If someone really wanted to attack someone in the restroom, take the risk of someone catching them, they aren't going to care about being penalized for being in the restroom.

You're probably right about that. Others, however, might be there for some cheap thrills. They might want to be there so they can see what they can see. The bathroom law and its penalties could prevent that
 

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And women can be perverts, or those male perverts could go into the mens room and just spy on little boys or grown men.

Absolutely correct but that doesn't mean we should make it easier for some perverts to get into female restrooms.
 

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Absolutely. When you consider the percentage of "transgender" people as compared to the percentage of pervs, it's a no-brainer.

But it's not like transgenders and pervs are mutually exclusive. They likely have a large overlap..
 

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You're probably right about that. Others, however, might be there for some cheap thrills. They might want to be there so they can see what they can see. The bathroom law and its penalties could prevent that

No, it won't. The likelihood of any bathroom laws preventing people from getting "cheap thrills" are very small because of many factors that have absolutely nothing to do with who gets to use the restroom, what they may or may not have between their legs, or what sex their birth certificate says they are.
 

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Absolutely correct but that doesn't mean we should make it easier for some perverts to get into female restrooms.

It is no more easier for a pervert to enter the ladies restroom now than it was 10, 20, 50 years ago. Most people don't notice or don't care, or figure they will mind their own business, mainly because "what if they're wrong". What if that person really is a woman? Now youve just harassed someone, embarrassed someone and yourself because you (general you) have some irrational fear of men being in the restroom with women.
 

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The percentage of "pervs" who would risk trying something in the restroom is extremely small compared to the percentage of even transgender people, let alone gender nonconforming people, who are going to face harassment over laws like this.
And you know this how?
 

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The percentage of "pervs" who would risk trying something in the restroom is extremely small compared to the percentage of even transgender people, let alone gender nonconforming people, who are going to face harassment over laws like this.

Total number of registered sex offenders nationwide in the U.S. 747,408

The most frequently cited estimate is that 700,000 people in the United States, are transgender.

Ha ha, nope.. There are more pervs than TG's and that is assuming NO TG's are pervs, which would obviously be a false assumption..
Not to mention all the pervs not caught and on the sex offender registry..

wrong wrong wrong
 

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And you know this how?

By looking at the simple stats for those who have been convicted of sex crimes and those who are transgender. Looking into them and seeing what motivates the people who attack others, who their victims mainly are, where they are perpetrating these acts, how many people have been caught doing these things (in public restrooms), how these people were able to do it, and simply looking at what policies exist now and what we see. The policies of many retail stores, especially clothing stores, is to allow transgender men and women to use the fitting rooms and restrooms of the gender they identify as. Funny isn't it how there haven't really been that many "pervs" attacking others in these stores despite them setting up these policies? Wonder if it could be because other factors come into play that are much better at preventing attacks or even just violations of peeping laws from occurring.
 

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No, it won't. The likelihood of any bathroom laws preventing people from getting "cheap thrills" are very small because of many factors that have absolutely nothing to do with who gets to use the restroom, what they may or may not have between their legs, or what sex their birth certificate says they are.

I don't understand how that can be. Now if I see a man going into the ladies room, by law I have to assume he thinks he's a female. In the old days, we could assume he was a pervert and might have been able to do something about it.
 

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lol

Most people don't notice or don't care, or figure they will mind their own business, mainly because "what if they're wrong". What if that person really is a woman? Now youve just harassed someone

So what? Not everyone is a libtard scared to death of offending someone..
 

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Total number of registered sex offenders nationwide in the U.S. 747,408

The most frequently cited estimate is that 700,000 people in the United States, are transgender.

Ha ha, nope.. There are more pervs than TG's and that is assuming NO TG's are pervs, which would obviously be a false assumption..
Not to mention all the pervs not caught and on the sex offender registry..

wrong wrong wrong

Notice how I said "pervs" who would try this, who would try attacking or just peeping on someone in the restroom or a changing room. Most of those sex offenders, the vast majority, knew their victims. They didn't simply go into some public place and attack someone. They knew the person, 90% in fact. Many of the rest, set up a meeting through like the internet or a secluded area, where they are very unlikely to get caught. This is not the case with public restrooms or changing rooms, where someone is very likely to get caught.
 

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I don't understand how that can be. Now if I see a man going into the ladies room, by law I have to assume he thinks he's a female. In the old days, we could assume he was a pervert and might have been able to do something about it.

You have no idea if that person is really a woman though. They could be. Or they could be accompanying their child or disabled adult charge.
 
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