Does Barack Obama want to be re-elected in 2012?

[j-mac]

What do you mean by free market? There are varying degrees of a free market. A completely laissez faire market would have nothing illegal, and no regulation. That means any drug, prostitution, slavery would be legal. There would be no taxation, which means no military, or any other government program. A completely free market is not a good thing IMO. There has to be regulation to keep people safe, and to prevent people from taking advantage of the system.

Ok, I am with ya, but what is the tipping point?


j-mac

 

[Your Star]

Ok, I am with ya, but what is the tipping point?


j-mac

When the government is actually being socialist.

 

[Boo Radley]

So it would be stupid in your words and thought for America to pause in the face of ever increasing debt, massive spending, and the Fed recently saying that they were ready to monetize the debt, and consider a different path to that of Dear Leader?


j-mac

It would carry more weight if not only directed at democrats, considering the cost two wars put on the debt.

 

[Boo Radley]

maybe not full blown Communism, but he certainly doesn't respect free markets either does he now?


j-mac

More inaccurate silliness. He treats the free market no differently than republicans have for decades now. Remember, Obama is notthe fitst to bailout the auto industry or fuel tax dollars into private business.

 

[j-mac]

When the government is actually being socialist.

uh huh, and that will be when? When they take out ads proclaiming such?


j-mac

 

[j-mac]

It would carry more weight if not only directed at democrats, considering the cost two wars put on the debt.

Obama has magnified that spending on a massive scale! Demo's are in complete control of all branches of government right now. Who are we supposed to blame, those out of power? You make no sense.


j-mac

 

[VanceMack]

I dont think Obama wants to be reelected. I think he wants to be 'translated'. I think he wants to be able to have the power to speak any ludicrous thing and have it be done by the sheer power of his voice.

 

[Barbbtx]

Thanks Barb, And to that point, if that is the case, Cloward and Piven strategy comes to mind, doesn't that make the lame duck session really dangerous, and further, how are we going to put a stop to these capitalist killing laws he has enacted?


j-mac

Ohhh...sigh Cloward and Piven, scary stuff. We are no doubt living in dangerous times. If we want to remain free, we've got to get out the vote in Nov. and in 2012. We also need to do something about the media. We need better ways to get the truth out. Not everyone listens to Fox or talk radio.

I hope you're not being sarcastic, LOL I'm not paranoid......much

 

[j-mac]

More inaccurate silliness. He treats the free market no differently than republicans have for decades now. Remember, Obama is notthe fitst to bailout the auto industry or fuel tax dollars into private business.

Bail out? no you're right....Own a controlling percentage in? hell yeah he is....


j-mac

 

[j-mac]

Ohhh...sigh Cloward and Piven, scary stuff. We are no doubt living in dangerous times. If we want to remain free, we've got to get out the vote in Nov. and in 2012. We also need to do something about the media. We need better ways to get the truth out. Not everyone listens to Fox or talk radio.

I hope you're not being sarcastic, LOL I'm not paranoid......much

No no...I am serious. and you are correct...


j-mac

 

[Boo Radley]

Obama has magnified that spending on a massive scale! Demo's are in complete control of all branches of government right now. Who are we supposed to blame, those out of power? You make no sense.


j-mac

Not really. The two wars cost a ton. And obama is looking at how to pay for his spending. it is more fiction than anything else that Obama is worse. Much the same, as spending goes, but not so much worse as to take him out of the releam in which republicans have supported for decades.

 

[Barbbtx]

:screwy:screwy
Really, you think Obama wants to lead us to communism? :doh

eventually....yes I do....one bite of socialism at a time.

 

[liblady]

It might cause voters to take pause if it's a black dem who wasn't vetted. Hopefully we won't make the same mistake again. Not, the skin color, but the vetting part. He got a total pass from the media.

that would be a lie, of course. who didn't know about his church? who didn't know about his background?

 

[Boo Radley]

Bail out? no you're right....Own a controlling percentage in? hell yeah he is....


j-mac

No control is being asserted. it is only a method for getting our money back, something republicans were not seriously concerned with. Again, you buy the spin and not the facts. Too much lsitening to spin doctors and not enough thinking it through.

 

[Ockham]

:screwy:screwy
Really, you think Obama wants to lead us to communism? :doh

It might not be communism --- but he's identified lots of times in lots of speeches, this is only the beginning. Whatever his "change" is, won't be realized maybe for decades. Let's hope if it does come true, it's 50+ years out. See, I'll be worm food by then and won't give a **** how bad things ****ed up in the early 21st century when everyone slobbered all over Obama. If his vision is to come true - death will be such a sweet respite.

 

[j-mac]

Not really. The two wars cost a ton.

What the hell is a "ton"????? give me a number.

And obama is looking at how to pay for his spending.

Really? How? He won't reduce spending, he is continuing to raise costly bills that no one reads, and the Fed under his direction is going to start monetizing the debt...Great.

it is more fiction than anything else that Obama is worse.

More Kool Aid Joe?

Much the same, as spending goes, but not so much worse as to take him out of the releam in which republicans have supported for decades.

Yep, I will slightly agree here. Repubs screwed the pooch when it came to spending, adopting many of the liberal mantras and habits when it came to that. Now is not the time to say stay the course. We either have our leaders share a 'come to Jesus moment" so to speak, or they are out of there.....PERIOD!


j-mac

 

[Jucon]

I personally hope he doesn't run for re-election for a few reasons...

1. A lot of people despise the man
2. He has proven to me to be a divider
3. Unless the economy picks up, or unless Palin runs for the Republicans, he'd probably lose
4. He should be focusing on fixing the economy and not running around the country trying to get re-elected

 

[Boo Radley]

What the hell is a "ton"????? give me a number.




Really? How? He won't reduce spending, he is continuing to raise costly bills that no one reads, and the Fed under his direction is going to start monetizing the debt...Great.




More Kool Aid Joe?



Yep, I will slightly agree here. Repubs screwed the pooch when it came to spending, adopting many of the liberal mantras and habits when it came to that. Now is not the time to say stay the course. We either have our leaders share a 'come to Jesus moment" so to speak, or they are out of there.....PERIOD!


j-mac

On wars and deficit:

Critics Still Wrong on What

USATODAY.com - War cost drives record deficit

Derrick Crowe: The Iraq and Afghanistan Wars Mutilated Our Economy

 

[Boo Radley]

Yep, I will slightly agree here. Repubs screwed the pooch when it came to spending, adopting many of the liberal mantras and habits when it came to that. Now is not the time to say stay the course. We either have our leaders share a 'come to Jesus moment" so to speak, or they are out of there.....PERIOD!


j-mac

Gettng rid of some of the tax cuts is an effort to collect more revenue, thus paying for spending. I agrue we have to cut spending, and raise taxes, if we are to tackle the deficit. I would start with not fighting needless wars. But that's just me.

 

[Crunch]

My hope is for a change of President in the White House in 2012.

Or before..... :mrgreen:

 

[Barbbtx]

that would be a lie, of course. who didn't know about his church? who didn't know about his background?

Did you know before you voted for him that he went to a Church for 20yrs where Rev. Wright says things like GD America? That he considered Wright as a good friend and mentor who baptised his children. Did you know that Bill Ayers was more than someone in the neighborhood? Did you know he was joined at the hip with ACORN and SEIU? Did you know he was mentored as a teen by Frank Marshall Davis? Did you ever see him teaching from Saul Alinsky's rules for radicals? Did you pay attention when he said things like "it's best when we spread the wealth around,"? or that he "sought out" marxists and radical?
Just a start for ya. If you knew all those things before hand, I'd be surprised.

 

[liblady]

Did you know before you voted for him that he went to a Church for 20yrs where Rev. Wright says things like GD America? That he considered Wright as a good friend and mentor who baptised his children. Did you know that Bill Ayers was more than someone in the neighborhood? Did you know he was joined at the hip with ACORN and SEIU? Did you know he was mentored as a teen by Frank Marshall Davis? Did you ever see him teaching from Saul Alinsky's rules for radicals? Did you pay attention when he said things like "it's best when we spread the wealth around,"? or that he "sought out" marxists and radical?
Just a start for ya. If you knew all those things before hand, I'd be surprised.

oh my...of course i did. that was news for MONTHS. i knew about bill ayers, but your characterization is misinformed. and could you please post vaild, trustworthy link about acorn, seiu, saul alinsky, etc. yes, i knew, and so did everyone else. but your talking points are just that, points you've picked up from right wing websites, no doubt. exaggerated and soemtimes downright dishonest. and preferences in college aren't preferences as wiser adults.

 

[Crunch]

By Peter Slevin
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, March 25, 2007

CHICAGO -- The job offer to "Miss Hillary Rodham, Wellesley College" was dated Oct. 25, 1968, and signed by Saul D. Alinsky, the charismatic community organizer who believed that the urban poor could become their own best advocates in a world that largely ignored them.

Alinsky thought highly of 21-year-old Rodham, a student government president who grew up in the Chicago suburbs. She was in the midst of a year-long analysis of Alinsky's aggressive mobilizing tactics, and he was searching for "competent political literates" to move to Chicago to build grass-roots organizations.

Seventeen years later, another young honor student was offered a job as an organizer in Chicago. By then, Alinsky had died, but a group of his disciples hired Barack Obama, a 23-year-old Columbia University graduate, to organize black residents on the South Side, while learning and applying Alinsky's philosophy of street-level democracy. The recruiter called the $13,000-a-year job "very romantic, until you do it."

For Clinton and Obama, a Common Ideological Touchstone - washingtonpost.com

Along the way, they met a rising political star named Barack Obama, who lived in their neighborhood.

The Ayers-Obama relationship became a hot topic in Wednesday's Democratic presidential debate. It is "an issue certainly Republicans will be raising" should Obama be the Democratic nominee for president, Obama rival Hillary Clinton said.

In the mid-1990s, Ayers and Dohrn hosted a meet-and-greet at their house to introduce Obama to their neighbors during his first run for the Illinois Senate. In 2001, Ayers contributed $200 to Obama's campaign. Ayers also served alongside Obama between December 1999 and December 2002 on the board of the not-for-profit Woods Fund of Chicago. That board met four times a year, and members would see each other at occasional dinners the group hosted.

In addition, Ayers and Obama interacted occasionally in their roles with the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, a not-for-profit group charged with spending tens of millions of dollars it obtained through its affiliation with a school-improvement foundation created by late Ambassador Walter H. Annenberg. Obama chaired the Chicago Annenberg Challenge's board of directors. Ayers served on the Chicago School Reform Collaborative, which made recommendations to the board on which organizations should get grants. The groups worked on school-reform efforts between 1995 and 2000.

Who is Bill Ayers? :: CHICAGO SUN-TIMES :: 44: Barack Obama

In his biography of Barack Obama, David Mendell writes about Obama’s life as a
“secret smoker” and how he “went to great lengths to conceal the habit.” But
what about Obama’s secret political life? It turns out that Obama’s childhood
mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, was a communist.

In
his books, Obama admits attending “socialist conferences” and coming into
contact with Marxist literature. But he ridicules the charge of being a
“hard-core academic Marxist,” which was made by his colorful and outspoken 2004
U.S. Senate opponent, Republican Alan Keyes.

However,
through Frank Marshall Davis, Obama had an admitted relationship with someone
who was publicly identified as a member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA). The
record shows that Obama was in Hawaii from 1971-1979, where,
at some point in time, he developed a close relationship, almost like a son,
with Davis, listening to his “poetry” and getting
advice on his career path. But Obama, in his book, Dreams From My Father, refers to him repeatedly as just “Frank.”

The
reason is apparent: Davis was a known communist
who belonged to a party subservient to the Soviet Union. In fact, the 1951
report of the Commission on Subversive Activities to the Legislature of the Territory of Hawaii identified him as a
CPUSA member. What’s more, anti-communist congressional committees, including
the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC), accused Davis of involvement in
several communist-front organizations.

Obama’s Communist Mentor

Lookup the background of his Grand parents and his parents.... No Marxist/communist sympathies there. [/sarcasm]

 

[Boo Radley]

Crap in too often equals crap out.

 

[Crunch]

"We spent a fortune to elect Barack Obama -- $60.7 million to be exact -- and we're proud of it," boasted Andy Stern, president of the Service Employees International Union, to the Las Vegas Sun this week. The behemoth labor organization's leadership is getting its money's worth. Whether rank-and-file workers and ordinary taxpayers are profiting from this ultimate campaign pay-for-play scheme is another matter entirely.

RealClearPolitics - Big Labor's Investment in Obama Pays Off

CAMPBELL BROWN: Now, it is officially nonpartisan. But this group works hard to register low-income voters who tend to vote for Democrats. ACORN's under fire over allegedly phony voter registration in several states, and Drew Griffin of CNN's Special Investigations Unit is digging into this for us. You'll be pretty surprised by what he found.

DREW GRIFFIN: There are 5,000 of them.

GRIFFIN: These.

HOAGLAND: These.

GRIFFIN: Those?

HOAGLAND: And these.

GRIFFIN: They are new voter registration applications turned in by the community organizing group, ACORN, which has launched a massive voter registration drive, and with 5,000 applications in this one county dumped just before the October 6 deadline; it looked to Elections Board Administrator Ruth Ann Hoagland like ACORN was extremely successful, until her workers began finding problems.

GRIFFIN: A lot of them?

HOAGLAND: 50 percent. We had close to 5,000 total from ACORN, and so far we have identified about 2,100.

GRIFFIN: So roughly half of them are bad.

HOAGLAND: Correct.

GRIFFIN: Registered to a dead person, registered as a person who lives at a fast-food shop.

HOAGLAND: Yes.

GRIFFIN: Or just all of them amazingly in the same hand.

HOAGLAND: Yes. Yes. All the signatures look exactly the same. Everything on the card filled out looks just the same.

GRIFFIN: Ruth Ann. Fraud?

HOAGLAND: We have no idea what the motive behind it is. It's just overwhelming to us.

GRIFFIN: It's not that some are bad. Once they started going through them, every one they looked at was bad.
As if that weren't bad enough, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama's campaign gave $800,000 to ACORN to help with voter registration, according to WiredPRNEws:

Obama's ACORN Connection to Voter Fraud - Bonnie Erbe (usnews.com)