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Does anything of the Bill Of Rights for criminal case defendants still exist?

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Essentially every protection for people charged with a crime has been thrown out by the US Supreme Court and courts in general.

The right to post bond has been eliminated for at least 90% of criminal case defendants due to being unable to post bond - or denied bond entirely.

Police seize defense lawyer's files. People with no criminal record nor accused of any violent crime are summarily locked up in solitary confinement (considered torture), denied bond and even banned from trying to obtain witnesses for their defense.

The woman that was a partner to Epstein has NO criminal record. She turned herself in - in no manner attempted to flee. Yet she is being held without bond under a gag order. That is absolutely prohibited by the Bill Of Rights.

Until recently, the ONLY basis to EVER deny bond was 2 basis:

1. Murder cases where there was strong evidence the person intended to commit murder again - such as a serial murderer
2. The person is charged with a major crime, was allowed bond, and then fled not showing up for court.

Holding people in jail without bond is how prosecutors force nearly all criminal defendants to plead guilt - whether guilty or not. Except for the most serious felonies, a person will spend more time in jail waiting for trial because they are not guilty rather than pleading guilty and getting out with probation, fines and other ways they have to now work for free for the government and give the government money every month.

IN FACT, for well over 90% of all people arrested for any felony or even higher misdemeanor they are presumed guilty, denied their rights under the Bill Of Rights, and punished harshly as if guilty before they are even allowed to attend any hearing. In the USA, you in fact are presumed guilty and punished as guilty unless you can stand being in jail for months (or a couple of years) and then prove you actually were not guilty of the crime you have already been summarily imprisoned for.

The current practice in criminal law is the diametric opposite of the Bill Of Rights and is power the authors of the Bill Of Rights specifically wanted the government to NOT have. NO ONE was to be forced to plead guilty as their only way to avoid imprisonment. Jail was NEVER meant to be a way to force people to plead guilty - yet the entire criminal justice system now functions on that prosecutorial tactic.
 
The system is pretty shitty. It's even worse in the public opinion as far as being assumed to be guilty. However, I can't think of a bigger flight risk than Ghislaine Maxwell.
 
I'll give you another one. If you are charged and go to court and lose, the prosecution will ask for a maximum sentence. If you take a plea bargain, you get much less time...
 
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