[W:2270] Does a Gun Make Your Home Safer?

[calamity]

how is that unsafe unless you know there are untrained people who can access the weapon easily> you do not. thus your comment is moronic

There are countless documented cases of exactly that happening. Why lie?

 

[TurtleDude]

There are countless documented cases of exactly that happening. Why lie?

you completely missed the point.

 

[TurtleDude]

Yes, freedumb rings loud on the gunner side of the equation.

And the bannerrhoids hate freedom. I choose to support liberty

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

And the bannerrhoids hate freedom. I choose to support liberty

It would appear that you have confused guns with "freedom" and "liberty".

I guess it would be "freedom" and "liberty" if everyone went with ammo belts and grenade launchers....but well what it would *really* be is ST00PID.

 

[TurtleDude]

It would appear that you have confused guns with "freedom" and "liberty".

I guess it would be "freedom" and "liberty" if everyone went with ammo belts and grenade launchers....but well what it would *really* be is ST00PID.

What is really stupid is thinking that banning guns does anything useful

 

[Hafnium1979]

Why? By tending, I mean checking the baits, adjusting my drift, minding the depth, and landing whatever fish impale themselves on a 6/0 circle hook. Certainly rubbing them would be a waste of time at best; counterproductive at worst.

Got it. At least give the underside a little tickle.

 

[Hafnium1979]

And the bannerrhoids hate freedom.

Yes! It is how we roll! I personally HATE the freedom of walking into a grocery store and being gunned down at random! Liberal parents ALSO really hate the freedom of a "free fire" zone at their kids' schools too!

Freedom is so stupid.

I choose to support liberty

That's a brave position to take. You should probably arm yourself to defend liberty. Pew! Pew!

 

[TurtleDude]

Yes! It is how we roll! I personally HATE the freedom of walking into a grocery store and being gunned down at random! Liberal parents ALSO really hate the freedom of a "free fire" zone at their kids' schools too!

Freedom is so stupid.



That's a brave position to take. You should probably arm yourself to defend liberty. Pew! Pew!

society has made that action highly illegal and those who do it face life in prison. You aren't usually complaining about criminals but rather about honest people being able to own firearms

 

[Hafnium1979]

What is really stupid is thinking that banning guns does anything useful

Well, "stupid" is a strong word given that literally every other developed first world nation on earth has more restrictive gun controls AND lower rates of gun homicide.

What is STUPID is loading up a nation of morons with massive firepower and then expecting it to all work out and when seeing that it DOESN'T assuming it must be due to something else.

 

[TurtleDude]

Well, "stupid" is a strong word given that literally every other developed first world nation on earth has more restrictive gun controls AND lower rates of gun homicide.

What is STUPID is loading up a nation of morons with massive firepower and then expecting it to all work out and when seeing that it DOESN'T assuming it must be due to something else.

if you want to live in bannerrhoid nations, you should move there. Nothing is more lame than bragging about how other countries are.

 

[Hafnium1979]

society has made that action highly illegal

Yet it still happens! Hmmmmmm

and those who do it face life in prison.

Yet it still happens! Hmmmmmm

You aren't usually complaining about criminals but rather about honest people being able to own firearms

No, you don't read what I write. I've tried to explain it to you a hundred times now but you aren't able to read or process the information. So much for all those Ivy League degrees. (I guess it is true what they say about grade inflation at the Ivies, eh?)

 

[Hafnium1979]

if you want to live in bannerrhoid nations, you should move there.

Oh, I've actually given that a shot! Not just because of the gun violence in the US but more because the US is quickly becoming overrun by morons who fantasize about being smarter than they really are and electing evil facists and supporting every regressive legislative package put before them.

Nothing is more lame than bragging about how other countries are.

Well, if you ever get a passport and travel or if you have, like I have, been able to work in other countries with non-Americans you can make that decision for yourself.

 

[TurtleDude]

Yet it still happens! Hmmmmmm



Yet it still happens! Hmmmmmm



No, you don't read what I write. I've tried to explain it to you a hundred times now but you aren't able to read or process the information. So much for all those Ivy League degrees. (I guess it is true what they say about grade inflation at the Ivies, eh?)

we totally ban crack and heroin and guess what-people still do it. Your attempt to try to besmirch my education because your arguments are pathetic is pretty amusing. And why not honestly admit that your real hatred is towards the politics of gun advocates? no one on this board is robbing people or shooting up schools.

 

[TurtleDude]

Oh, I've actually given that a shot! Not just because of the gun violence in the US but more because the US is quickly becoming overrun by morons who fantasize about being smarter than they really are and electing evil facists and supporting every regressive legislative package put before them.



Well, if you ever get a passport and travel or if you have, like I have, been able to work in other countries with non-Americans you can make that decision for yourself.

I have been to Africa, Europe, South and Central America many times. Stop pretending that those of us who don't buy into your hatred of legal gun ownership are somehow ignorant. the real ignorance is pretending that harassing honest gun owners will somehow prevent criminals from engaging in criminal activities

 

[Rucker61]

Well, "stupid" is a strong word given that literally every other developed first world nation on earth has more restrictive gun controls AND lower rates of gun homicide.

What is STUPID is loading up a nation of morons with massive firepower and then expecting it to all work out and when seeing that it DOESN'T assuming it must be due to something else.

If it's just the number of guns, why is there such a disparate rate of homicide based on demographics?

 

[Hafnium1979]

we totally ban crack and heroin and guess what-people still do it. Your attempt to try to besmirch my education because your arguments are pathetic is pretty amusing.

To be quite fair to you, you've done more to "besmirch" your claimed education than I could ever do! LOL.

And why not honestly admit that your real hatred is towards the politics of gun advocates?

Have I denied that? And by "gun advocates" I assume you DON'T mean the kind of adults I grew up with who didn't "worship guns" but rather saw them as serious tools. No, most "gun advocates" I see these days are "gun fetishists" who blather on about their guns non-stop because that is literally all they have in their lives. And it's pathetic.

no one on this board is robbing people or shooting up schools.

And yet you STILL fail to see the larger point even when it's been pointed out to you a hundred times now.

That doesn't bode well for your skills and frankly I'd not be keen on you owning a gun.

 

[Hafnium1979]

If it's just the number of guns, why is there such a disparate rate of homicide based on demographics?

Oh please just STOP with this subtle race-baiting. It is not becoming of you.

 

[Hafnium1979]

I have been to Africa, Europe, South and Central America many times.

Did you use your JD there?

Stop pretending that those of us who don't buy into your hatred of legal gun ownership are somehow ignorant.

I don't believe I have to "pretend".

the real ignorance is pretending that harassing honest gun owners will somehow prevent criminals from engaging in criminal activities

Harassing gun owners. That's hilarious. I thought you guys were all about "self-defense" but here's some little limp-wristed libtard "harassing" you.

 

[Rucker61]

No, most "gun advocates" I see these days are "gun fetishists" who blather on about their guns non-stop because that is literally all they have in their lives.

So now anecdotal evidence is acceptable?

 

[Rucker61]

Oh please just STOP with this subtle race-baiting. It is not becoming of you.

It's science and data. I thought you liked science and data.

Oh, I guess it's inconvenient to you. Sorry.

There's also an economic factor and a urban/suburban/rural factor.

 

[PzAbt505]

View attachment 67332840​

A person need not discharge their firearm to protect themselves with it; as such, the number of intruders (or other assailants) killed in self-defense is meaningless.
Subsequently so too is any 'statistic' that compares the number of people killed in self-defense to... anything.

OP Fail.

 

[Hafnium1979]

So now anecdotal evidence is acceptable?

I'm not publishing a study here. Sorry if you were confused.

 

[Hafnium1979]

It's science and data. I thought you liked science and data.

C'mon, I'm not an idiot. YOU and I both know what you are doing here. It doesn't matter to me what the demographics were, the FINAL ANALYSIS showed a strong correlation (regardless of race) between increased gun ownership and increased gun homicide rates.

THE ONLY REASON you are bringing this up is to taint it with some sub rosa RACISM angle in hopes of shutting up the librul.

It LITERALLY DOES NOT MATTER to the study whether you are looking at white or black, the results are the same:

Gun ownership was a significant predictor of firearm homicide rates (incidence rate ratio = 1.009; 95% confidence interval = 1.004, 1.014).

There's also an economic factor and a urban/suburban/rural factor.

Oh I'm more than happy to talk about poverty and improved social safety net. But I've met few of you gun enthusiasts who would vote to FIX those problems. No, I rather assume this is as usual a disingenuous side-note for you. A means of avoiding the real issue by bringing up an issue you normally don't give a flying f**** about. (You know, like "mental health care" which you don't normally actually care about at all, except when guns are involved and you need a patsy to take the attention away from the tools)

Sorry, not buyin' it today either.

 

[TurtleDude]

To be quite fair to you, you've done more to "besmirch" your claimed education than I could ever do! LOL.



Have I denied that? And by "gun advocates" I assume you DON'T mean the kind of adults I grew up with who didn't "worship guns" but rather saw them as serious tools. No, most "gun advocates" I see these days are "gun fetishists" who blather on about their guns non-stop because that is literally all they have in their lives. And it's pathetic.



And yet you STILL fail to see the larger point even when it's been pointed out to you a hundred times now.

That doesn't bode well for your skills and frankly I'd not be keen on you owning a gun.

the larger point is that gun banning is almost exclusively a desire of leftwingers and crime control really doesn't have any real part of what motivates this desire to ban things. Your stupid post of calling people "gun fetishists" proves that what you really hate is a culture that doesn't buy into the creeping crud of socialism that you support. You don't hate violent criminals-you hate people who don't vote for the politicians you worship

 

[soylentgreen]

the only fear we see on this thread is your fear of our rights to be armed. you continually lie about what motivates us free citizens to be armed.

Not true at all. You live in fear if you actually believe you need a gun loaded and ready to kill 24/7. Your gun is not freedom it is a bane. You are not free when you live in fear of crime.