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Every day I will be posting 2 news stories from different sources. Please note, some stories might be from earlier dates and will not be limited to only North America.

-> Please do call out a story if you find out it's fake or the source is questionable as we all know how divided society is.

The stories will recieve two awards. The awards are from my point of view:

a) Right Wing Irrationality award.

b) Left Wing Irrationality award.

*Being human, I have my BIAS so if I offend your ideologic view feel free to swear in private. I don't get offended over politics. :cool:

Thursday March 17, 2022:

a) Right Wing Irrationality Award - Mr. Ammon Bundy - a far-right activist.
*A major hospital in Boise, Idaho, locked down after a far-right activist encouraged people to protest the facility over a child protection case.
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/598490-idaho-hospital-locks-down-for-possible-far-right-protest

b) Left Wing Irrationality Award - Peru's far-left economy, Mr. Pedro Castillo - Peru's president.
*Weakening Governance a Risk for Peru Economy, Ratings. Tensions between far-left politicians led by Vladimir Cerron, General Secretary of the Free Peru Party, which backed the president’s campaign, and moderates have equally contributed to public cabinet rifts. President Pedro Castillo faces a risk of impeachment via the current process to start March 28 or potential future motions. His popularity has fallen, he faces two corruption investigations and legislative support for impeachment is building.
https://www.fitchratings.com/resear...ance-risk-for-peru-economy-ratings-15-03-2022
 
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Pedro Castillo is not a leftist. He's shuffled his cabinet so many times to appease the opposition that it's a stretch to say any of them are actually leftist. His domestic policies have nothing to do with leftism, and he's literally sent the army into the streets and has dispersed strikes with tear gas and rubber bullets.
 
Pedro Castillo is not a leftist. He's shuffled his cabinet so many times to appease the opposition.
I understand, so what you are saying is that if Pedro Castillo did not deviate from the pure messaging of the Marxist Free Peru party then it would have been an utopia in Peru because utopia can only be brought in by this ideology.

It's always the opposition why things don't work. If only the people would just fall in line and get with the program. 😀
 
Oh, great. Someone literally named Centrist apparently supporting false equivalency with 'one story for each side'. I'll post daily one story each for why Putin is doing wrong and why Ukraine is doing wrong.
 
Pedro Castillo is not a leftist. He's shuffled his cabinet so many times to appease the opposition that it's a stretch to say any of them are actually leftist. His domestic policies have nothing to do with leftism, and he's literally sent the army into the streets and has dispersed strikes with tear gas and rubber bullets.
But he has to be leftist because the math is right=left equally bad, only center is correct!
 
Pedro Castillo is not a leftist. He's shuffled his cabinet so many times to appease the opposition that it's a stretch to say any of them are actually leftist. His domestic policies have nothing to do with leftism, and he's literally sent the army into the streets and has dispersed strikes with tear gas and rubber bullets.

Here's how the Economist describes him.

He was to the left of his opponent, anyway.

Rather Mr Castillo’s presidency has been defined so far by his political inexperience and indecision, the extremism and infighting of his allies and his weak mandate. A rural schoolteacher, farmer and union activist from a small town in the Andes who had never before held political office, his victory by just 44,000 votes out of 17.5m was a surprise. For his supporters he represents both the Peru that has not shared fully in the country’s economic growth and a provincial rebellion against Lima, the capital. He won because politics has fragmented, because the pandemic exposed injustice and neglect and because many Peruvians could not bring themselves to vote for his opponent, Keiko Fujimori, a conservative whose father ruled the country as a corrupt autocrat in the 1990s.
 
I understand, so what you are saying is that if Pedro Castillo did not deviate from the pure messaging of the Marxist Free Peru party then it would have been an utopia in Peru because utopia can only be brought in by this ideology.

It's always the opposition why things don't work. If only the people would just fall in line and get with the program. 😀
Wtf are you talking about. I was saying that due to pressure from the far right and conservative parties, Castillo bent over and reshuffled his cabinet so many times no one there was a real leftist at the end of it. I have no idea how you perceived that to be some sort of "deviation from the party line".
 
Is that how you respond to other satire like The Onion or Doonesbury also? Do you respond to the Onion headline, "Putin Pleased As Plot To Ruin Russian Economy, Destroy International Standing Goes Exactly To Plan", 'you made that up'?
Well you see Craig, the satire (was a good read by the way) is based on some foundation which is true -> Vladimir Putin's invasion and brutality in Ukraine.

Craig, the mind of a Bernie supporter and a Trump supporter is not that different in my opinion.

Both sides hope by taking the conversation into the extreme to gain momentum but Craig here is where you have it wrong.

The foundation is wrong. there is no truth for you to even construct a satire in my opinion because I never posted a position to justify a russian invasion.

Fortunately we live in a free western country and we get to do whatever we want as long as we don't break the law.

You are always welcome on this thread, tomorrow I will do a left wing story from the US so is switched from today's. Stay tuned.
 
Here's how the Economist describes him.

He was to the left of his opponent, anyway.
He ran on a leftist mandate, and then proceeded to jolt to the right, to appease the right wingers.
That's not saying much considering his far-right opponent was the daughter of the former dictator
 
He ran on a leftist mandate, and then proceeded to jolt to the right, to appease the right wingers.
Why is it that socialists and/or far left dictators have the same line when they fail?

Ceausescu towards the end when people were dying of hunger he used to go at the microphone and blame the west for the food shortage.

No inside blame for the system, it's always the outsiders or the insider traitors, the capitalists pigs influence. :LOL:
 
Why is it that socialists and/or far left dictators have the same line when they fail?

Ceausescu towards the end when people were dying of hunger he used to go at the microphone and blame the west for the food shortage.

No inside blame, it's always the outsiders or the insider traitors, the capitalists pigs influence. :LOL:
Because its true. Prove me wrong.
 
Craig, the mind of a Bernie supporter and a Trump supporter is not that different in my opinion.

OK, the mind of a trump supporter and a 'centrist' are not that different in my opinion. Back atcha.

Both sides hope by taking the conversation into the extreme to gain momentum but Craig here is where you have it wrong.

I'd like to try to help you by helping you understand errors and fallacies for 'centrists', but that's a hell of a hard thing to do, and instead it can seem like bickering when it's tried. So I think I'll not try. But I'll mention a problem with the word 'extreme', by saying 'extreme centrist' is not an oxymoron as much as centrists think it is. If trumpists say 2+2=100, and Bernie people say s+2=4, it doesn't make a centris right who says it's 50.

The foundation is wrong. there is no truth for you to even construct a satire in my opinion because I never posted a position to justify a russian invasion.

The truth is what I said: the false equivalency that the 'right' and 'left' are equally flawed, where 'one post daily about each' is representative. No, that's not the case.

Fortunately we live in a free western country and we get to do whatever we want as long as we don't break the law.

You are always welcome on this thread, tomorrow I will do a left wing story from the US so is switched from today's. Stay tuned.
That is fortunate. Note, I encourage you to post whatever truths you like criticizing the right OR left. My comments were about the general fallacies of 'centrists' and the false equivalency in your structure. I think if a centrist was required to list 100 bad things from the right and one from the left they'd need to see doctor it was so difficult.
 
Why is it that socialists and/or far left dictators have the same line when they fail?

Ceausescu towards the end when people were dying of hunger he used to go at the microphone and blame the west for the food shortage.

No inside blame for the system, it's always the outsiders or the insider traitors, the capitalists pigs influence. :LOL:
Placing blame is political propaganda 101, you can read about it in Machiavelli. The right does it, the left does it, and the center does it (THOSE DAMNED EXTREMISTS ON THE LEFT AND RIGHT THEY ARE THE PROBLEM!!!!) Sometimes the blame is placed well, sometimes it's not, and it usually sounds pretty similar either way.
 
Because its true. Prove me wrong.
Theory is different than practice.

I read Das Kapital, did you? Precisely because I know the difference between theory and practical use I think I can share my opinion.

It is one of the most dangerous theories that is ever written in my opinion. Why ? Because it works! Temporarily.

Ceausescu was loved in the 70's in Romania, it was the real deal, the socialist utopia.

and then what happened?

Some people started working harder than others overtime. Someone had better ideas than someone else. So how do you maintain the system when people start competing and start resorting to corruption to get the benefits since the state does not allow it?

Well, you arm the young to take care of business and enforce the system.

I understand the nordic countries but in my opinion, that is different business, socialism works there because the Vikins passed it down from generations in my opinion and is smaller population to maintain it.
 
Why is it that socialists and/or far left dictators have the same line when they fail?

Ceausescu towards the end when people were dying of hunger he used to go at the microphone and blame the west for the food shortage.

No inside blame for the system, it's always the outsiders or the insider traitors, the capitalists pigs influence. :LOL:
Did you never hear the argument during the cold war, that the west and the east 'needed each other' as enemies to justify things they wanted? Sometimes even crossing to conspiracy theories of the two sides conspiring to keep up the tensions to oppose their mutual enemy, the peacemakers? Things like each siding having 'militarist special interests' for example? Militaries who knew their power and budgets increased from enemies?

In fact, it's not unreasonable to speculate that this project from Putin could be *primarily driven* by his power being based on having an enemy and a cause for Russia like the one in his narrative - which is actually working for him so far, with large majority support, though it's not going well.
 
Theory is different than practice.

I read Das Kapital, did you? Precisely because I know the difference between theory and practical use I think I can share my opinion.

It is one of the most dangerous theories that is ever written in my opinion. Why ? Because it works! Temporarily.

Ceausescu was loved in the 70's in Romania, it was the real deal, the socialist utopia.

and then what happened?

Some people started working harder than others overtime. Someone had better ideas than someone else. So how do you maintain the system when people start competing and start resorting to corruption to get the benefits since the state does not allow it?

Well, you arm the young to take care of business and enforce the system.

I understand the nordic countries but in my opinion, that is different business, socialism works there because the Vikins passed it down from generations in my opinion and is smaller population to maintain it.
Bro what? I was stating a fact, that Castillo was forced to reshuffle his cabinet due to right wing opposition and you gave me a whole essay about socialism muh bad. That is of course another discussion. Nordic countries are also not socialist, they're social democracies.
 
'needed each other' as enemies to justify things they wanted?
You mean like the left and right need each other in the US to make money while dividing the regular people?

Here are 2 race agitators that are cashing in while you argue with your fellow American:

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I understand the nordic countries but in my opinion, that is different business, socialism works there because the Vikins passed it down from generations in my opinion and is smaller population to maintain it.

That could be described as sounding like a centrist desperately trying to cling to claims a 'side' doesn't work, by grasping for anything to 'explain' it away - they're especially blonde! Everyone knows blonde people are not the same so what they're doing won't work with brown haiired people!
 
That is of course another discussion. Nordic countries are also not socialist, they're social democracies.
Oh I see, so you support the real deal, the real deal socialism. Forget democracy eh.

Well, I will just tell you is not as romantic as you read it in the books. Not having milk or bread for 2-3 days will wake you up to reality.
 
You mean like the left and right need each other in the US to make money while dividing the regular people?

Here are 2 race agitators that are cashing in while you argue with your fellow American:

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Wow, that's weak. And, of course wrong. That would be an embarrassing level of propaganda for Putin. Do you really need it spelled out or are you operating like a trump cultists saying there's overwhelming evidence the election was stolen?
 
Oh I see, so you support the real deal, the real deal socialism. Forget democracy eh.

Well, I will just tell you is not as romantic as you read it in the books. Not having milk or bread for 2-3 days will wake you up to reality.
Ah yes, because you have definitely lived in a socialist country, and you are definitely not biased on this topic. You only have to look at Europe to see the fruits of centrism, eternal compromise, and the so-called "Grand Coalitions"—a resurgence of right wing parties capitalizing on voter discontent with the political establishment and lack of change.
 
Oh I see, so you support the real deal, the real deal socialism. Forget democracy eh.

Well, I will just tell you is not as romantic as you read it in the books. Not having milk or bread for 2-3 days will wake you up to reality.
The truth is more complicated than you seem to think.

Let's take one example point. Corrupt dictatorships don't like counter-examples doing better next to them. So China doesn't like Hong Kong and Taiwan sitting there exposing how terrible they are, and they're planning to get rid of them. Russia doesn't like Ukraine doing much better than Russia, exposing Putin. And while the US isn't a dictatorship, it's supported many, so for example, as bad as Cuba's revolution might have been, the US felt a need to sabotage it to make sure that its neighbors didn't like the idea and revolt against the tyranny the US supported over them, so the US has tried to make sure Cuba has done poorly as the US claims - 'see, you suck, as proven by how you're not doing well as we have a total economy boycott of you'.

You're absolutely right that a lot of left-authoritarian states have done terribly, look at Maduro - yet again, it's 'you suck, see our heavy economic sanctions helping result in you have a bad economy show it!' When of course our motivations there have been more about wanting to exploit them, and punish them if we can't. More complicated than you appear to realize from your comments.
 
Wow, that's weak. And, of course wrong. That would be an embarrassing level of propaganda for Putin. Do you really need it spelled out or are you operating like a trump cultists saying there's overwhelming evidence the election was stolen?
Don't get offended Craig. Sometimes I come across as too ironic.

Let me tell you a quick joke I heard while on Friday night services from someone that did business in the town that Bernie was mayor. Huge Bernie supporter. I listen to everyone, you can troll me all you want, don't care.

So here's what happened, one day he calls me out of nowhere as he came back to Canada. He says to me:

"Bernie is like Mosses, he tells everyone to get in the Red Sea but never goes in first". 😂


***Let me clarify, he did not talk to Bernie, he talked to people in the business company that did business while Bernie was mayor. That was his view and opinion after he got deprogrammed.
 
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