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Do you want tyranny of the majority?

Jason Warfield said:
Correct, it is a republican (not as in the party) democracy which still allows the direct voting of the majority to determine certain electoral outcomes, but not all. So, swing-voter still has a valid point.
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We elect our representives via a democratic process, but laws aren't decide by referendum and The Constitution limits the power those representitives can excercise.
 
apdst said:
We elect our representives via a democratic process, but laws aren't decide by referendum and The Constitution limits the power those representitives can excercise.
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Only if those representatives respect and honor that Constitution. It is apparent that those "limits" are more of a suggestion that can be broken by a President that has the support of a political party that has lost their way. That was our Founders worst nightmare and it has come true.
 
swing_voter said:
Isn't "tyranny of the majority" what democracy is?


lol
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No, that is just silly rhetoric in the same vein as "democracy is just majority rule dictatorship" and the like.
 
iguanaman said:
Only if those representatives respect and honor that Constitution. It is apparent that those "limits" are more of a suggestion that can be broken by a President that has the support of a political party that has lost their way. That was our Founders worst nightmare and it has come true.
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You mean like when Obama made his own laws?
 
aociswundumho said:
Because constitutional rights are not respected. The most egregious example is the right to keep and bear arms, which is routinely violated by both the states and the federal government.
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People would not have a problem with keeping and bearing Arms if our legislators did not routinely sacrifice the End to the Means.

The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

We have a Second Article of Amendment and should have no security problems in our free States. Don't grab guns, grab gun lovers and Regulate them Well!
 
apdst said:
You mean like when Obama made his own laws?
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No I mean when Trump did these to name just a few.

1. Contempt of Congress

Trump made clear his contempt of Congress when he boasted, “… I have Article II, where I have the right to do whatever I want as president.”

2. Abuse of the Powers of the President and Abuse of Public Trust

“Unlike prior presidents, he has made presidential lies as routine as the rising and setting of the sun, confounding civil discourse, truth and public trust,”

3. Appropriations Clause, Revenue Clause

“Congress has consistently voted much less money than President Trump requested to build an extensive, multi-billion-dollar wall with Mexico,” the memo reads. “In violation of the Clause and the criminal prohibition of the Anti-Deficiency Act, President Trump has committed to spending billions of dollars far in excess of what Congress has appropriated for the wall. The congressional power of the purse is a cornerstone of the Constitution’s separation of powers.”
4. Emoluments Clause

“Article I, section 9, clause 8 prohibits the President (and other federal officers), without the consent of Congress, from accepting any ‘present, emolument, office, or title, of any kind whatsoever, from any King, Prince, or foreign state.’
“President Trump has notoriously refused to place his assets in a blind trust,” the memo reads. “Instead, he continues to profit from opulent hotels heavily patronized by foreign governments. He has permitted his family to commercialize the White House. He has compromised the national interest to enrich family wealth on a scale unprecedented in the history of the presidency.”

5. Treaty Clause
“President Trump flouted the Treaty Clause in terminating the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty (INF) with Russia unilaterally,” the memo reads. “The treaty assigned the termination decision to the ‘United States.’ The President alone is not the United States under the Treaty Clause.”
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The End of the Rule of Law: The 12 Impeachable Offenses Committed By Trump | Common Dreams Views
 
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swing_voter said:
Isn't "tyranny of the majority" what democracy is?


lol
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Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.

Thomas Jefferson
 
Phys251 said:
I'd be more than happy to back down to my opposition to the Second Amendment if your side would back down their opposition to just about every other Amendment.
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This is what our Second Article of Amendment secures:

The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.
 
Craig234 said:
Besides the fact that rights are NOT being respected, here's an example. 80% of Americans pass a constitutional amendment saying the other 20% will be murdered by the US military, and then they are. Perfectly constitutional, and tyranny of the majority.
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Not by our erstwhile federales without Due Process.
 
aociswundumho said:
Like what? People on the far right like myself hate government, we support any restrictions on the state.
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Like this; some on the left don't have a problem with Government only the abomination of hypocrisy. Ten simple Commandments from God not the Expense of Government!
 
aociswundumho said:
No, you're thinking of progressive hero FDR.
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Yes, our welfare clause is General unlike our defense clause. FDR's brand of Socialism used second world command economics to take our third world economy to the first world. Compare and contrast that to right wing policies which only sacrifice the End to the Means.
 
apdst said:
But when Obama made his own laws, you cheered him.

Find a better source, too.
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If you are talking about DACA then yes I agree with the SC that it was within his power to do. Most Americans agree too. That is how a democracy works.
 
aociswundumho said:
Donald Trump didn't commit the worst US civil rights violation of the 20th century by putting 120,000 innocent people in concentration camps via executive order. That crime was committed by progressive hero FDR.

And you're worried about the stupid post office.
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The right wing was worse and fought a Civil War over slavery. No comparison at all given the ignorance of the time.
 
weaver2 said:
You hate government? Have you something with which to replace it?
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Virtually every service government provides is already being done cheaper and better by the private sector. But the private sector won't do things if the cost isn't worth the benefit, e.g. putting people in steel cages for using socially unpopular drugs.
 
iguanaman said:
If you are talking about DACA then yes I agree with the SC that it was within his power to do. Most Americans agree too. That is how a democracy works.
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The Supreme Court never said that...lol
 
Craig234 said:
The people out of power aren't the ones sabotaging the Post Office to steal an election.
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The Democrats are sabotaging the election with mail in voting.
 
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