How about this?
American teachers will be paid as much as teachers in China? Chinese students do much better in testing.
The better colleges pay their instructors more and get better results. There is no reason to think that the same wouldn't happen with public K-12 schools if handled correctly. Many people opt out of teaching because they can get better pay (and working conditions) elsewhere. Higher pay will generate more candidates for teaching positions, allowing schools the ability to choose only the better ones.
Considering the best teachers I've had are without exception making $100k+ as professors, and how lousy and poorly compensated my K-12 teachers were, I'd say there's definitely a correlation. But also understand, there aren't enough PhD's to go around teaching K-12, if they're even willing to do that. Raising pay but keeping the same teachers isn't going to solve much.
So every K-12 teacher you had was terrible and every college profesor you had was great?
I find that hard to believe.
In terms of knowing what the hell they're talking about, yes. I have some respect for the ones in the early years for keeping us out of trouble, but the point of education is not day care, or at least it shouldn't be.
You might want to do some research on that part about Private Schools paying more than Public Schools. In general I think you will find the wages less.
My sister used to teach in a private Catholic School, she made about 50% of what Public School teachers made and had "0" benefits (no medical, dental, or retirement).
(I'm talking "in general" here, there may be exception of some high end, pay out the yang private schools.)
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So every K-12 teacher you had was terrible and every college profesor you had was great?
I find that hard to believe.
Wow, that is a pretty strong statement.
So you learned math and Reading when you got to college, right? You learned nothing with those crappy K-12 teachers?
Considering the best teachers I've had are without exception making $100k+ as professors, and how lousy and poorly compensated my K-12 teachers were, I'd say there's definitely a correlation. But also understand, there aren't enough PhD's to go around teaching K-12, if they're even willing to do that. Raising pay but keeping the same teachers isn't going to solve much.
They aren't even in the top 34. The USA is 14th.
World education rankings: which country does best at reading, maths and science? | News | theguardian.com
That is not to say that education and skill is not required to effectively teach students. I had some really good high school teachers that did a great job of making things stick.
Thing is, with any educator (be it high school, college, or technical trade skills) you need more than knowledge about the subject at hand, you also need to know how to deal with people. I work in heavy industry and deal with a lot of complicated equipment/ machinery, but I'll be the first to point out that the human beings I deal with are infinitely more complicated than any piece of equipment.
But I would argue that a history teach only needs to know a pretty general, rarely changing set of things. . . It doesn't involve dynamic problem solving and in depth analyzation of complex material
I figured that the conversation was talking about primary education (K-12).
Sure history sounds pretty straight forward, but getting a bunch of children to care about history and actually retain the information is an entirely different set of skills. I love reading about history, but I don't have to teach it.
Everything about education, if it's done correctly, is dynamic. People are dynamic, I think you're really thinking about school in a very one dimensional way.
I stand corrected.
Show teachers be paid the salary teachers are paid in N. Korea?
It's not really intended to be a blanket statement for each and every profession, it's more of a statement saying if you can't cut it in your profession you wind up teaching.
Before I even consider posting in this thread, how many people here actually have experience in education, and how many are just regurgitating the same stuff they hear from the corporate media?
The opt-out-of-everything states looks a lot like the RED states in a POTUS election with phony 10th amendment arguments..Before I even consider posting in this thread,
how many people here actually have experience in education,
and how many are just regurgitating the same stuff they hear from the corporate media?
We get a list from local teachers of items they need, buy them, and give them directly to the teachers. No cash donations. No tax deduction that way, but that's not the reason we give.
Before I even consider posting in this thread, how many people here actually have experience in education, and how many are just regurgitating the same stuff they hear from the corporate media?
Without a doubt the worst teachers I had were at university and the best were in high school. Professors don't "teach", they lecture.
"Them that can do, them that can't teach". I myself know three people who went into teaching after age 40 because they failed at everything else.
Did i say i learned nothing at all back then? But it could have just as easily, and more efficiently, been learned from others. I'm generally more critical of middle/high school anyway. The glacial pace of instruction, considering we were there for several hours most days, is especially glaring now.
Raising hand, I had 33 years teaching high school Chemistry first, Physics 2nd and freshman science 3rd..
As Illinois stays with common-core and moves toward tieing teacher pay to test scores, neighboring states like Indiana are opting out..
The opt-out-of-everything states looks a lot like the RED states in a POTUS election with phony 10th amendment arguments..
Since I still teach with long-term subbing, I learn a new place each year..
New computer system, kids wearing hats in school and so on and trying to break them when they come in the room..
The number of teachers getting fired, getting pregnant, and just overall bailing out is astounding .
So that's an argument for higher pay. If you pay enough you attract enough good people that you don't become a last resort for failures.
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